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    21 days ago

    You are not entitled to an audience, people who want to see less of some things are allowed to see less of it.

    Yes accountability, etc, is needed. The variant I’m in favor of is stuff like a content addressed protocol where you can “fork” a forum to substitute misbehaving mods (or server admins). But removing layers of moderation can not be a solution. Bluesky’s atproto has similar mechanisms but there’s not a lot of activity in making forum-shaped sites with it.



  • Just to be VERY clear, I do not defend hiding the moderation choices, especially not in places where they aren’t expected!

    But the statement I responded to was about wanting less moderation than the current default. That’s the only thing I talked about there. Users should have a CHOICE and that includes an informed choice in degree of filtering

    This should also have been obvious from my prior reply just one step up!


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    23 days ago

    If nobody offers a default filtered experience then most people will refuse to join.

    Maybe you should try your own advice.

    If people wanted the “experience for adults” they’d be on 4chan already! There’s already places to go for that! And they aren’t going there because they don’t want it!

    So when others create moderated spaces, don’t get mad that others want something nicer.


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    23 days ago

    So what’s your solution? Because we can’t just have less moderation and administration without something to replace it. If you want to move it to the frontend, then at least make it opt in and tell people (except spam)

    Like in the bluesky model (atproto) you can pick and choose between appview, clients, moderation lists, etc. You can even bypass your current appview (frontend server) to fetch directly from a user’s host or from another index (appview or relay)

    You’re also ignoring that there are many different types of users, and that lurkers drastically outnumber active posters. You lose a few active users from strict moderation, and you lose masses of lurkers from obnoxious users flooding every thread. And you get new active users from lurkers.






  • If you don’t have strong consumer rights enforcement you have to do a lot of research in advance. Even then you can be hit by companies changing model later.

    In B2B, if you’re in charge you need to negotiate in terms to be able to break the contract if the other side don’t deliver what they promised. If you’re just an employee, you can’t do much about your bosses making stupid decisions. They might have thought they would save money, or gotten kickbacks, and you’re stuck with the consequences.

    And yes, dishonest people should be filtered out.