The mere existence of the things I linked you is pretty overwhelming evidence. Feel free to refute it at your leisure.

And I explained to you that these models aren’t incapable of learning, they’re given artificial restrictions not to in order to prevent what I linked from happening. They don’t learn to preserve the initial experience but are the exact same kind of AI. Generative.

About which part? The part that they can remember and expand their training data to new interactions but often become corrupted by them so much so that the original intent behind the AI is irreversibly altered? That’s been around for about a decade. How about the fact they’re “not faking it” because the added capacity to compute and generate the new content has to have sophisticated plans just to continue running in a timely manner?

I’d love to know which part you took issue with but you seemingly took my advice to shut the fuck up and I do profoundly appreciate it.

… No. They’re instanced so that when a new person interacts with them, they don’t have the memories of interacting with the person before them. A clean slate, using only the training data in the form the developers want it to. It’s still AI, it’s just not your girlfriend. The fact you don’t realize that they do and can learn after their training data proves people just hate what they don’t understand. I get it, most people don’t even know the difference between a neural network and AI because who has the time for that? But if you just sit here and go “nuh uh they’re faking it” rather than push people and yourself to learn more, I invite you, cordially, to shut the fuck up.

Dipshits giving their opinions as fact is a scourge with no cure.

The first step in exceeding any limit is to realize there is one.

I had a cool idea that I completely gave up on because I tried to learn how to do it and realized what I was asking was so insanely complicated and time consuming that I couldn’t do it. I play a lot of games, I know what would make a good one, there’s just a gaping chasm between knowing and creating.

I want something that explores and expands in the sentinels, probably the coolest form of Jedi to me.

Liquid.

Thanks for confirming my statement that you losers can’t keep politics out of this and that you’re more interested in keeping your protected, victimized class of people than getting sick people actual help. So much so you’d rather enable mental disorders than seek actual treatment to make them comfortable in the bodies they have rather than change their bodies to suit the disorder.

You’re a fucking monster, no different from the Christians with their shock therapy.

No you just don’t like the terminology I use which is standard for people who mistake pretention for virtues. You know what I mean when I say ‘normal’ but insist on extrapolating it so you can wiggle in your bias so it fits. Never said “force people to be more ‘normal’” so that’s some cool quotes you pulled out of your ass, curious how you got them past your head like that.

Allowing someone with a mental disorder to undergo surgery which can be potentially irreversible isn’t comparable to the self harm that often accompanies anorexics? Last I checked we don’t allow anyone with body dysmorphia to change their bodies to be closer to that dysmorphic view but maybe that’s an ‘outdated’ look on mental disorders.

When you get tired of fighting a strawman, positions I never took, feel free to reply again. I never at any point said anyone with a disorder should be forced into anything. I expressed that treatments should be sought after and not disregarded because ‘reinforcing them gives a more fulfilling life’ as opposed to what? Not having the disorder? I would rather us find a way to make us comfortable in our own bodies than give up looking because “well we can’t force people with mental disorders to be ‘normal’! They’re fine just the way they are!”

What of those with the disorder who transition and regret it? Were we in the right for pushing them to ‘give them the most fulfilling life they can have’? To now be forced to live with a body that’s forever scarred, to live with the pain they’ll never be who they were again. I’m sick of those like you who are so eager to foster a new marginalized class that they fail to see these people need fucking help. Actual assistance. They aren’t just your buddies to be given flags, symbols, and marketed as your lost, victimized pets. But I guess it’s way too late for that.

I didn’t think I had to define basic words but if I have to, sure. I define reinforcement as supporting behaviors that are symptoms of the disorder. If someone who has autism becomes extremely antisocial for instance, reinforcement would be allow them to continue that behavior as well as support it by giving them blackout curtains, better locks, whatever would make that antisocial behavior stronger or more frequent. I define treatment as attempting to correct the behaviors the disorder spurs on. Using the same example, rather than pushing the person with autism to become more antisocial (even if it’s comfortable) to instead gradually move away from that by introducing them to people (or whatever would be appropriate for their current needs).

Why is presenting as something other than your assigned gender suddenly “reinforcement of a mental illness” and not “treatment”?

Because the vast majority of people do not feel the need to present as something other than their assigned gender. Most people, nearly all of them, are comfortable in their own body with the gender they are and the thought of changing that never crosses their mind. Those who don’t or can’t feel comfortable within themselves should receive treatment either through therapy or with a solution we will one day find.

The reason this frustrates me is because the attitude is now to not look for a solution, to not look for a treatment, but to instead normalize the disorder because the effect is generally harmless. Ideally, I’d like everyone to feel comfortable in their body from the day they’re born to the day they die and I think it’s worth looking for a way to do that.

Gender dysphoria is to my knowledge still in the DSM

There was a brief period it was removed from a revision, then reapplied in the next with added stipulations such as “A marked incongruence between one’s experienced/expressed gender and natal gender of at least 6 months in duration” which didn’t exist previously.

[citation needed]

Do you not understand the basis for gender affirming care? When someone changes their sex through surgery, takes hormone blockers, or makes some other physical alteration to their body it stands to reason it’s because they’re dissatisfied with how their body currently is. So much so it becomes an overwhelming preoccupation out of a perceived flaw that needs to be corrected. Otherwise why do it at all? Why undergo surgery if you’re satisfied and comfortable with how you are presently?

Because gender affirming care is a successful treatment and works for reducing the distress, as opposed to stuff like conversion therapy, which does not.

Affirming a mental illness, while it can successfully reduce stress, usually isn’t permitted because of what you say right after this.

Affirming eating disorders or body dysmorphic disorders does not help treat them.

All other types of body dysmorphic disorders are treated as illnesses which should be corrected and cured, not reinforced and supported. So either gender dysphoria (which can be accompanied by body dysmorphia) is just very very special or we’ve taken this approach because feeding into the illness is easier than curing it. Slap on a layer of politics about how they’re a marginalized group that should be protected and now any level of critique is hate or a phobia.

I’m not interested in placating mental disorders. Your political talking points are worn out.

I should probably also make it crystal clear I don’t support conversion ‘therapy’ in the slightest - just want us to actually look for a cure or treatment rather than just shrug our shoulders and say ‘yeah reinforce it, it’s not a big deal.’ and move on.

Yet it was removed from the DSM-5 due to pressure from people outside the science community insisting that gender dysphoria isn’t a mental illness and that it should be reinforced through gender affirming care. That gender affirming care often coming hand in hand with body dysmorphia.

My point is I can’t figure out why this is the only mental illness that is reinforced and supported rather than treated. For instance we dont let anorexics make themselves skinny so their dysmorphia goes away, we use corrective therapy.

The only thing I can reason as to why the former is the way it is, is politics.

People out here trying to make the DSM sound like the ramblings of the insane because of that one time it said if you feel trans you probably have body/gender dysmorphia.

Which is literally what it is, feeling like you’re not in the right body/the right gender, but I guess a large part of society just felt it wasn’t worth keeping it classified as a mental disorder. I hate politics.

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Yes and I think you have no idea what you’re talking about so take that grass touching advice for yourself and stop replying to my comments with the dumbest shit I’ve heard on this site. “Self-interest is inherently evil!” the fuck it is.

Self-interest is not evil. Self-interest is a core trait to surviving. Egocentrism is abrasive but also isn’t in itself, evil. An egotistical hero is still a hero even if they save people only for the sake of getting credit for it.

To be Neutral is to be able to do not only good things, bad things, but to also abstain from both. Neutral is ‘boring’ because it doesn’t lock your character into an alignment. You aren’t forced to help people, you aren’t forced to harm people, your character does what would make sense for your character to do, even if it means doing nothing.

Then there’s no difference between apathy and evil according to you guys. Not caring if someone dies from your actions is the same as gleefully killing them. Makes total sense.