I wish people hated the brigading proudboys this much. They would be more deserving.

also men with men relationship violence adding to the numbers. https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-29994648

Not even men?

I think the toxic masculinity is another subject aside from domestic relationships involving man on man violence and how it’s given a pass (especially on tv) . Beavis butthead /jackass type stuff. At least that is more in context of what I’ve seen it meant to be towards.

Domestic abuse however should be considered regardless of gender. It would be better to drop the gender out of it entirely when discussing it. We should acknowledge anyone can be a victim or even an abuser. it’s actually very common that even both are abusers but that often doesn’t get addressed other than being ‘one cancels out the other’ or ‘you’re both bad for eachother’.

I have a feeling that only scratches the surface of what is abuse. It’s a whole family dynamic. And I would prefer it if gender wasn’t part of the discussion It really slants it like you say.

I’ve seen people blame the victim of abuse simply because they aren’t the abuser and ‘should know to leave’ when it is actually a very dangerous situation they are in.

And in some of the programs on the subject of addiction it’s actually more common that you’ll get both parents are actually abusive however our way of being programmed (like in the programs you’re saying) we might side more with who shares our gender. Or worse: start thinking the person who is being abused deserves it because they are somehow annoying others into abusing them. Or even wants to stay for the abuse and people lose respect for the victim for not leaving.

In Australia (more so in New Zealand) they are at least a decade behind on what is going on in America when it comes to addressing abuse dynamics. They still struggle a lot to get cops to take abuse seriously and very behind on the training. Lots of these programs even believe that abusers think victims have evolved to take a hit. I dunno, some sort of messed up biology involving whomever or whatever the gender is they believe is the more common and whatever the gender of victim is most common.

sure, ok in worst case scenario let’s say there might be some fucked up narratives like that out there amongst why an abuser abuses, I’d like to see that (or any idealogical bases for abuse) challenged towards the individual abuser rather than confirmed to the victim.

You’re going to get that anywhere and could go off with the same argument that everything is poisoned. To hate it you’re supporting it’s a movement is both a sum and to help serve individual requirements. Claiming bad actors is just a part of it. Helping others is another. You will get that in all movements. To define it so you can have some batting practice is reductive.

You’d spend your energy more wisely being additive with issues that need to get addressed. And focus on that.

someone getting helped isn’t a dig on someone else. That post is not addressing the issue. it’s nothing more than lateral infighting. Getting yourself heard isn’t poking holes in someone else’s life saver til you get what you want. That’s just being a psychopathic bully.

Hating women isn’t how to support men. Your post is toxic. You are toxic.

and got co-opted by a bunch of psychopaths into the fucking terrible movement it is today.

Interesting. So In this theory of yours about how movements work, who exactly owns and dictates the movements? The ‘gov’ment’? The neighbour you hate? A woman calling the cops on someone? celebrities? People with opinions and jobs? A person with a magaphone/picket sign? Someone posting online?

because someone wrote it with self-righteousness

Usually a call sign of someone who hasn’t been really entrenched with bad code to understand their foolishness in comparison.

I’ve only seen people hold that idea if :

1. New and amateurish, I give them a chance cuz they might learn. But let them learn.
2. Someone who’s only ever worked in maybe two places for very long lengths of time, given way too much power too early, people threw around ‘genius’ too eagerly and these people guard their code like a watch dog likely because it’s so fragile a simple ‘()’ in a string will bust everything . No one else can work on it and the only way you can fix it is the moment they leave. They will not learn. You can only hope the eye of Sauron will stop looking in your direction.

I’ve known influential assholes who poopood commentating as if it’s only a superficial job.

I hate those people.

I’ve known people who do this several times in a year. One even came back to his old job, just to leave it within months to go to a new one, brag about how much better it is. He moved on from that job too within a year.

Might just be the entire industry has reached enshittification in more than one way.

agreed there is a definite influx of misogynistic incels lately. Feel like I’m spelling out how women are human beings a lot more than I ever had to here before. Conversations are more on the de-evolutionary side.

“Nobody wants to work anymore” -bad manager mating call.

Wow the comments here sounds like you’re all a bunch of antisocial nightmares to deal with in rL.

You are sealioning.

And boomer seems to be just any white person with grey hair. It’s not even referencing a specific generation. It’s just a catch all for ‘all the old, white people I don’t like who have the right to vote for things’

I think you are. Because In comparison: They were trading pictures of rape on regular subs. And it was considered normal. I don’t see that happening on Reddit today nor on lemmy. There were a lot of things ‘normal’ 15 yrs ago that would be banned today.

They had two beat women subs that stayed up for years. They aren’t there now. So yeah: used to be.

World is bigger than just cis white people. Having an iota of awareness isn’t being ‘smug’. Boomers aren’t just white people you know.

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