What about pinephone?

The reason we don’t have democracy is not because we don’t fight enough with each other, but because we can’t fight together for a common goal. 98% want a democracy and would prefer privacy. We need to stop letting politicians pin us against each other, but let us understand that despite our differences, we have a lot of common interest and that they are the actual enemy.

As some did in Russia during conscription for war in Ukraine, shoot the officer that made you fight in a war, not the unwilling solider on the other side of the border. People don’t want to fight each other, it is politicians that throw other people’s lives away while they sit far away from action, pretending to be actual war heroes.

It is important that you do bother, since the people that need it can’t reach you otherwise while keeping their anonymity.

It goes hand in hand. We need to fight for privacy in order to have direct democracy

It is burning in part because any organized movement against social or economy change that is big enough is stop by interference by the government. You can’t organize a blockade of streets or a riot it the FBI is in every chat that you use to organize a group of activists.

Exactly. It is not that they don’t care about privacy it is just that they trust them because they are the standard, they are big and government is supposed to keep them in check.

People trust the system way too much

We are all normies

Not really true, people are willing to fight for a better life and a better world. We just need to organize, to fight together. There is a lot each of us can do make using these decentralized apps more convenient, including simply making valuable content on these networks, but also translating it into different languages, reporting bugs and trying to fix them or write tutorials on how to use it or get around a bug.

Most of these battles are very interconnected. Destroying one part of this horrible system will leave a flank open for the rest to fall.

They need to spy on us, so they can stop any real fight, riot against other issues that are plaguing us, like inflation, climate change and etc.

People join massive protest all around the world for these things. They are willing to spend a day walking around and yelling even if it is an inconvenience.

It is lack of organizing and having a trust that if we just vote for right politician it will be solved. For decades of elections, nothing changed.

We need to organize ourselves as the people, like they do in some countries. Stop the traffic, organize in shifts to stay on road blocking all gas powered trucks. You need to stop businesses from operating normally to give the system some reason to change, instead of just ignoring us and promising us that next election it will be better.

Same for soical media, do the internet equivalent of blockades, DDOS them like anonymous did. They can’t arrest us all. And organize to block police cars when they try to make an example of the few.

It is important for a society to have privacy, not just you as an individual. There are journalists and activist that need privacy for a very good reason.

“Arguing that you don’t care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don’t care about free speech because you have nothing to say.” ― Edward Snowden

“Arguing that you don’t care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don’t care about free speech because you have nothing to say.” ― Edward Snowden

I don’t agree, whenever I take someones phone and start reading their private messages or browsing history, they always get nervous, even if I can’t find anything.

People certainly care, even an average person is aware of problems with digital privacy and they would love to get it solved. But people care about a lot of things, global warming, homelessness, police brutality, they just don’t organize well enough to fight those issues and fighting them alone is hard.

Also don’t forget the amount of propaganda there is to live a certain way, to chase promotions on your job, earn more money and have a high social status. All of these things get in the way of deleting instagram,whatsup and etc.

There is also a problem with lack of marketing of alternatives, most people haven’t heard of lemmy or XMPP chat.

I suggest we try to get people to start using these alternatives first, until there are enough users that they actually have a choice to choose either network and then a lot of people will delete mainstream apps. First step is to make it popular, second is to delete these bad apps. However even getting someone to use a new app is hard, since they are bombarded everyday to install some new app and are even financially motivated (with deals and discounts).

It is a hard battle, but a necessary one. Without privacy there is no democracy, voting is secret for a reason. We need a real democracy, where we choose laws directly, not by someone else we are forced to vote for due too lack of better choice. That requires safe and private digital communications. In person communication is very limited.