without any steps in between for something as mild as someone trying to touch an object that belongs to him.

Again, you’re assuming the offender’s intent a priori, and assigning a low value of someone else’s property for them which you don’t have the right to do. Everyone has a smart phone these days, but you can’t know whether the loss of that phone is a minor inconvenience to a person or whether it’s their “home address” with the only contact information they have. That places a major value difference to the property to the owner that won’t be visible to anyone else.

And we should always assume the worst of people and immediately attack them?

Certainly not, and from the context of the ad that’s not what happened there. In the ad world the owner of the clubs didn’t create the set of conditions that led to the grabber’s actions, the grabber did.

Sane people, again, don’t go around assaulting other people at the slightest provocation. That you apparently do, or fantasize about doing so, is a sign that you are quite mentally disturbed.

Again, “slightest provocation” is relative. That’s why we’re having this long ass conversation: you’ve obviously never been down to your last two nickels and watched something critical fail because of the preventable actions of someone else. Lucky you, congratulations, and I hope that you continue to have that sort of luck going forward because you obviously don’t have the toolset developed to handle that kind of situation. Your strawman and ad hominem attacks aside I’m happily sitting at zero altercations and hope that continues on for the rest of my days.

I also no longer have to wonder if long, monotonous safety briefings are really necessary; that nobody truly could be so stupid as to ignore all warning signs, social cues, pictographs of danger, lights, sirens, bells and whistles, because I can remember that you’re out there somewhere oblivious to the world and its consequences and armed with all the world’s knowledge about all possible events and outcomes and have them prejudged based on your interpretation of violence.

And you base this off of… my belief that one should ask people to stop touching their stuff rather than immediately run up and beat the shit out of them?

I base this off of what you’ve said which leads me to believe that you think other people should act that way in that situation, but you’d do something different if it was you. We also don’t know the intent of the grabber.

Were you dropped on your head as a child, or do you come by this level of violent sociopathy naturally?

Your histrionics may play better with someone else. Do you not think the owner of the golf club has any rights at all? Have you ever in your life heard of thieves scouting/casing a location, or probing actions that can be played off as “just looking” or “was just curious?” If someone carries your drink at a bar is the first thought that goes through your head “that guy seems just as nice as the guy selling roofie test kits”?

History decides whether a reaction or preaction was proportional or not, and they use context that we don’t currently and will never have. Predeciding a course of action for every future interaction between humans at a personal, state, nation state level is just dumb. History is littered with people who suffered because they didn’t believe something would happen and people who look back wondering why nobody did anything to stop a situation. I understand better why that is, now.

You’ve no idea what she intended or what the cost of the items were, golf club or anything else.

When it’s your hard earned money that’s gone into something, or your name on the “Results” line then you get a say-so, otherwise it’s not really any of your business. I just assumed from your attitude that you’ve never had to worry about money or results before.

You. You don’t assign a value to other people’s things or care what happens to them, so I assumed you’d not care about your own stuff as well. If you treat your things different from other people’s then what business is it of yours how they protect their things?

I suggested the easiest way as a test for you to put your own money where your mouth is.

So, speaking of putting words in people’s mouths, I never said that.

Still haven’t seen you posting a picture of you destroying your most prized possession and then whining about how there’s nothing anyone could do. So I guess it’s only your stuff that you place a value on.

one of the things that has convinced me I don’t want to is them talking about the price of their clubs.

Just because it’s not worth it to you doesn’t mean it’s not worth it to them. If you’re ever looking to get into it then Costco currently carries some reasonably priced clubs…

I have never yet seen a golf club that is so fragile that it will shatter into pieces when touched

I’ve seen some persimmon wood clubs with wooden shafts that I wouldn’t touch, but then again I’m respectful of other people’s stuff.

Nor do they electrocute anyone who touches them.

I’ve known people to have a concealed carry stashed in their golf bag.

This portion of this thread has turned into a trolley problem where a guy standing next to a lever has one of his golf clubs laying on one track, and someone voluntarily laid down on the empty track while he was standing at the lever. He’s going to catch shit either way because of someone else’s actions (“your stuff’s broke!” versus “why’d you do that?”). I don’t think anyone’s arguing that the person at the lever/club owner created the setup to the trolley problem.

I don’t see a difference between the golf club and an ironworker’s spud wrench in his tool bag. If someone pulls it out of the bag and drops it into a storm grate early some morning, but the golfer is going to be short a club and the worker will have to go to work without all the required tools on the tool list. At some point the club/tool/purchase has to actually be used for its intended purpose and go from a “securely locked up” state (in a locked house/vehicle) to an “in use” state where someone is clearly using it. Before this thread I’d have thought it was axiomatic that you don’t do something like run up to someone while they’re actively using a tool/machine, but I guess some folks need to be told: if you see a golfer lined up at a ball and concentrating on it, then he’s actively golfing and you shouldn’t interfere. Likewise with going and grabbing a hard hat off a worker’s head. My argument is that the golfing stand bag, next to the golfer, on a golf course is still actively in use even if you think it’s not. The tool bag is in use if the worker has set it on the ground to juggle car keys and a cup of coffee next to their vehicle. They’re a professional in their domain and you don’t get to be an outsider and set rules for their domain.

You’re lucky to live such a charmed life to be so wealthy that you can absorb an infinite amount of the universe’s shots at you.

Again, you’re assigning a value of zero to someone else’s property.

If you’re on your way to your landlord with $500 to make rent for the month and get mugged it’s a lot different if you’ve got plenty of money in the bank and need to make another trip to retreive more versus if it’s the last $500 you had to your name and you get evicted for not making rent.

To prove my point, kindly take your most prized possession and destroy it. Post pictures here when you’re done for verification and open another thread moaning about how your stuff is broken and there’s nothing you could’ve done to stop it from happening.

So you agree with the ad’s message then?

I never said that and you shouldn’t put words in my mouth. I didn’t think people being secure in their property was such a debatable topic, but at least I understand now why invite-only, membership-required golf courses exist.

So if you walk into an electronics lab and see a piece of equipment with squee 😍 all these cool dials! 😍 and 🥰 🥰 lights!!! 🥰 🥰 and a threatening 😠 sign that says “don’t touch,” and you turn a dial just a little, but you totally didn’t hurt anything, who was in the wrong now that the equipment isn’t calibrated? The person for making the threatening sign? The person for leaving their equipment where any toddler could get to it? Or the the toddler for not having agency enough to know not to touch something that doesn’t belong to them? Are you going to pay for the engineering time it took a team to calibrate the equipment for a First Article Test the next week? You’re going to pay for the customers to fly back home after flying in on a Sunday for a Monday/Tuesday test that now can’t happen?

Just because you don’t assign a value to a golf club doesn’t mean it doesn’t have a value to the person who bought it, trained with it, and went through the effort to carry it somewhere to play golf. And golf clubs or engineering labs aside, you don’t seem like you’ve ever had something broken by someone else before you even got a chance to use it. Are you going to refund the guy’s once in a lifetime golf vacation because you don’t know what forces a graphite shaft can/can’t withstand? Are you going to replace his grandpa’s headcover that he uses because it reminds him of his deceased grandpa teaching him golf?

The engineering lab would obviously have access controls because of people who don’t understand what they’re doing. Someone’s golf clubs on a golf course, within sight of the owner and within asking distance to see if it’s OK to look at one can usually rely on common sense and etiquette. Usually…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnO3nijfYmU

Congratulations on getting almost all the way out. It sounds like the hoarded items thing will come up at some point, but you knew that.

Your reaction is a lot like that of people who’ve been parentified when they were younger (forced to take care of younger siblings). There’s a similar reaction out of the parents when the child doesn’t carry out the portion of The Plan devised for them.

There’s more honesty in a parent/child relationship where the parents tell the children they’re out the door on their 18th birthday so the children have time to plan. At least that way the children know for sure where they stand.

Point clarification: the firefighters ended up not being necessary?

And yes, like training an LLM, you’ve taken in negative feedback to not do this, not do that, maybe some positive feedback along the way on how to do something right, and when things really mattered and someone was in danger, you engaged the LLM part of your brain to think two steps ahead…and it gets thrown back in your face.

Your breaking point is completely warranted, because you hit a point where you realized that no amount of messing with internal weights and trying to guess what they want would ever work, so why bother stressing over it anymore?

You can’t even show me the right speed limit due a sign on a different road that say 5MPH, when I’m on a 30MPH road, and suddenly you start beeping at me cause I’m going too fast?

Insurance company using police report: “Sorry, your rates are going up because you were going 25MPH over the speed limit. What were you thinking?”

Or “only a little can’t hurt.”

Why would a chef put in more effort to create what is arguably an inferior result?

Because they saw someone get sick after eating “raw” steak once in nineteen dickety-two and don’t think it’s safe, or they read it in a magazine a very long time ago, and they don’t think it’s safe. “Raw” in this case would be any pink whatsoever. If you bake it long enough at the right temperature on a drip pan you get no pink in the middle and no char.

Source: I’ve eaten a lot of shoe leather steaks in my life.

I haven’t been through your situation, but I did keto by choice once. The number of “that’s not good for you!” people that had hidden nutrtion degrees they never used was staggering. The number of people who slipped carbs into my food thinking I wouldn’t notice is nonzero.

Your list of foods you can’t tolerate sounds awful.

I agree with your sentiment, and that the world should work like your hypothetical.

how could they possibly ever know

Lawyers doing lawyer stuff. As to why, you said it:

I made mega money and they found out

We’d have to have real lawyers weigh in, but for the most part I think unless you found an undiscovered market then they won’t care. Programming isn’t unique in the respect that the tools you need to do world-changing work aren’t that different between what you might have at home versus a well funded computer science research lab, but you’re much more likely to stumble into a marketable app than you are a quicker FFT.

I don’t get how anyone could EVER enforce a law or agreement or rule that says something I wrote at home on my device on my time is theirs.

Check your employment terms. I’d wager the first step of that is seeing if you have a paper copy. I know I don’t for all the places I’ve worked or acquisitions I’ve been through.

Something like an ALCU or Second Amendment Foundation that focused on nothing but that would be a nice-to-have. I think it overall destroys creativity in the industry.

Websites have to search for new revenue streams. They don’t just walk into a corner of the internet and think “drat, someone already has a forum for that!” and walk away. They come up with some unique twist people won’t have normally thought of and run with that until it stops working. See this guy’s comment below:

• https://lemmy.world/post/50436416/25191964

With reddit they need to be able to show that their advertisers aren’t just serving ads to bots (although we’re seeing ads for bots now apparently). They have to prove a certain number of real human beings saw something thus the login requirement.

Now, people used old reddit because new reddit sucks. New reddit just shows you the top few posts, and makes you expand replies, thus proving you’re something they can bill for. This also serves the purpose of pushing nuanced, long running discussion down to where people don’t see it. Just look at the cat picture, upvote it, and move on.

And for the record reddit has been crap for a very long time. At least since whoever that lame ass admin was who went into the backend database and edited someone’s raw post, and if not then, then Victoria getting the axe should’ve been a red flag to everyone that you weren’t a member of reddit…not really. I know there were some local meetups in that timeframe. How awkward do you think the AMA local BBQ was? Do you think reddit cares?

It’s depressing to be wasted pointless effort in a bureaucratic corporate nightmare.

And depending on the details of your employment, if you code for fun, on your own time, at home, using your own equipment, the company still owns it.