The citizens of the United States are responsible for their country’s actions - even if they themselves ignore the atrocities committed by their government.

Everywhere, the post is being removed - with the same generic reason: “No politics.”

Nevertheless, this obviously needs to be said, since it apparently still isn’t public knowledge in the U.S.

  • DandomRude@lemmy.worldOP
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    Unfortunately, I don’t see it that way. I’ve found time and again that even US citizens in the Fediverse tend to display a massive amount of completely misplaced, naive national pride.

    It seems to me that even those here, due to the oligarchy in the US that controls the media, are massively misinformed or uninformed despite their flirtation with free media.

    Added to this is decades of propaganda that Americans apparently cannot overcome even here.

    The best example is this post: Instead of the all-too-necessary self-criticism, there are only excuses - even though the U.S. president is a pedophile and a serious criminal. Nevertheless, U.S. citizens act as if that were not the reality.

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      Nevertheless, U.S. citizens act as if that were not the reality.

      Again, where are you getting that? The people that are not aware of how much of a criminal Trump is aren’t using a platform created with the purpose of taking power away from big tech.

      Every day I worry about what idiotic thing the US government is going to do next. And every day I worry about how establishment democrats are going to use republicans as an excuse to shift their politics to the right. I am painfully aware about how the US is making the world worse, and so are most of the people I interact with.

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        My point is that US citizens could remove their criminal president, but they don’t do so despite all his criminal machinations and despite the most serious war crimes.

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          Let’s be clear, getting rid of trump doesn’t stop anything. If anything, they WANT someone to target trump, because that gives them justification to be more tyrannical. What you are advocating for is called a Civil War, and if we started one now, Trump would win.

          Like all countries, we have a system of government in place. When it comes to removing the president (executive branch) over objectionable behaviour, we have a process: it falls on the judicial and legislative branches to conclude that the behaviour was objectionable and that the president should be forcibly removed (a process in the system called impeachment). Trying to remove the president using means outside this system is literally saying, “the system doesn’t work, we need to throw it out, take matters into our own hands, and start from scratch”, i.e. a civil war.

          For now we continue to try to take steps within the system, but it is now abundantly clear to most Americans that the Republicans in Congress have been colluding to allow the president to do whatever objectionable thing he wants. SCOTUS seems to be doing something similar. Unfortunately, that is their prerogative in the system we have.

          If a group of states said, “that’s it, we’re done, the system doesn’t work, we don’t acknowledge you as the president, and we’re going to try to stop you” then within the system, it is the job of the US military to put a stop to that. Their job within the system is to ensure the system keeps working as the law dictates. And the US military is the most funded military in the world, so the rebellion would lose almost instantly.

          This fall will be the real decider because of midterms. Trump is polling very poorly. A record number of Republican congress-people have announced they will not seek reelection. Democrats are winning in red states for the first time in close to a century. Trump is desperately trying to rig elections, and there’s a possibility he’ll attempt to cancel elections entirely. The result will be one of two things:

          1. Democrats regain control of Congress, and all of the crimes that Republicans wouldn’t hold anyone accountable for suddenly get held accountable.
          2. Trump tries to say “the system isn’t working, we need to establish a dictatorship and cancel elections”.

          Ideally it’s option 1, but there’s a very real chance it’s option 2, in which case the US military is obligated to stop him. If they don’t, then we will cross the bridge you’re describing, and it won’t be pretty.

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          How? Most people here are one missed paycheck away from having their lives upended; they have no time, money, or power. Look into the stats on poverty, healthcare, etc. in the US. The state of affairs is abysmal.

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          My point is that US citizens could remove their criminal president

          If it were as simple as people just deciding to remove him then he would have been impeached in 2018 and again in 2020 and then sent to jail