I’m pulling the “twitter is a microblog” rule even though twitter is pretty mega now, hope that’s ok.

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    10 days ago

    Exactly, which is why it’s IMO a bit presumptuous to say with confidence that humans are conscious while LLMs are categorically not conscious. We don’t even really know what that means.

    I don’t personally think LLMs are conscious, at least not yet or not to the same degree that humans are. But that’s purely based on vibe, it’s not something I can know. We need to figure out what consciousness really is and how to measure it before we can say we know this with any certainty.

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      9 days ago

      It is not presumptuous at all. Inference to the best explanation is how you know (almost) anything.

      1. This table isn’t conscious.

      This is my justified belief. No inferential claim is guaranteed and all objective claims are inferential (which is why scientific claims aren’t absolute).

      That said, I have strong reasons to think that tables aren’t conscious. They might be, but I’m epistemically compelled to believe otherwise.

      1. ChatGPT isn’t conscious.

      Ditto. It would be irrational for me to believe otherwise given the strong evidence.

      That you “don’t know for sure” is an implied disclaimer for every scientific claim.

      If the evidence is ambiguous, we say so. Regarding ChatGPT, the evidence is unambiguous.

      1. I am conscious.

      This is a non-inferential claim that I know through direct contact with reality. It is a priori.

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        10 days ago

        This is pretty much what Descartes meant with “cogito ergo sum”. The only thing you can be sure are 100% real, are your thoughts

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          10 days ago

          Right, your own thoughts. So I can be sure I’m conscious, but you commenting “I know I’m conscious” on here doesn’t tell me anything about your consciousness. The robot can do that, and does.

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            10 days ago

            This is just the stuff you do in philosophy class. There is no right answer really. You can never be sure of something being conscious or even be sure that it exists in reality. We can just react to what we perceive.