• solsangraal@lemmy.zipEnglish
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    3 months ago

    this is the exact reason why exile, excommunication, shunning, disfellowshipping, and all the rest are so effective. and a big reason people go along with glaringly wrong bullshit

    • The Quuuuuill@slrpnk.netEnglish
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      3 months ago

      And the internet has given the folks with wrongness in their heart an out to find communities who will act as a bulwark against internal progress. No one around you likes you because you’re an asshole? Go on 8chan and get validated

      • The Picard Maneuver@lemmy.worldOP
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        3 months ago

        It seems so obvious from the outside looking into these online echo chambers, that you wonder how anyone participating can’t see it.

        The really hard part is identifying these sort of things in your own online spaces.

      • chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        3 months ago

        The funny thing is that those spaces are themselves very heavy on enforcing dogma through fear of social rejection. For example when the Christchurch massacre happened, I decided to go see what /pol/ was saying, and there were actually a few comments expressing mild disapproval, in a “I hate muslims too but cheering at people being brutally murdered as they try to get away is too far” kind of way. These people were of course shouted down and insulted and their sympathy painted as weakness. That validation is conditional.

        The less leeway people are given by their community to explore and express their genuine thoughts and feelings, the more inaccurate and fucked up the popular consensus is free to get.

        • The Quuuuuill@slrpnk.netEnglish
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          3 months ago

          Fascists know exactly what they’re doing. They study this shit. The study the environmental and mental conditions that led to the original fascist movement and they actively want that. The part I don’t get, the thing that scares the shit out of me, is why. They got scooped out, emptied out, by our culture of emptiness and are refilling themselves with violence and they view this as good. Instead of building community through love, they build it through hate. Best I can figure out is that its easier to hate than to love.

  • modifier@lemmy.ca
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    3 months ago

    This is what held me back for a long time, and I have to say, the fear is well founded. It has definitely driven a wedge between me and my community. The breakthrough is realizing that’s okay.

  • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
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    3 months ago

    I had to institute a no-politics rule with certain family members during the pan. It’s saved relationships.

    I have zero friends who are intolerant or hateful or shitty to others. If I found out someone I hadn’t spoken to in a long time had become like the right wing nuts in my family I’d first try to talk to them about why that happened with hope of saving them, but if not: get out of my life.

    • SirDerpy@lemmy.world
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      3 months ago

      If I found out someone I hadn’t spoken to in a long time had become like the right wing nuts in my family I’d first try to talk to them about why that happened with hope of saving them, but if not: get out of my life.

      I had to institute a no-politics rule with certain family members

      Typical moderate: full of principles until they require sacrifice.

  • Etterra@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    Dear everybody: Your heart is a irrational, stubborn, reactionary idiot. It makes some valid points, but it should always be weighed against what your brain has to say. And that’s assuming your brain isn’t also being an idiot at the time. Man us humans are stupid.