I was too young to have to listen to their shit then though.
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2·1 month agoSo glad you enjoyed it! 🙂
IMO you are in for a treat. His voice is something else IMO and I love his style.
Here’s one of my favorites (fairly, ah, opinionated): Uncle Sam Goddamn
Also -
Can’t Take That Away (Just nice.)
(Also pretty opinionated:) Mourning in America
38·2 months agoSeriously. What would be surprising is if they were not. Proprietary System gonna Proprietary System.
I don’t like music I can’t relate to and I can’t relate to most rap songs. I’m not out here thuggin or poppin caps, doing drugs and fuckin removed. I don’t even really want to do those things. So that erases almost half the damn genre out the gate.
I promise I’m not trying to spam you with stuff!
With that specific criticism in mind, I listen to what I listen to because of the lyrics for the most part, and I’m not into those things either. Here are some examples I’d recommend.
Some folks don’t like Atmosphere’s style much, but I’m recommending these to you because of their lyrics, specifically. (Personally I think these are both bangers though.)
(If you have them, put on some nice headphones. Esp for Brother Ali.)
A couple from Atmosphere:
Brother Ali has a couple that really speak to me too:
I am not trying to make you “like” Rap, FYI. Folks like what they like.
I’m just trying to open a path to show you that how you described it in your prior comment does not describe most hip hop - even if it describes most hip hop you have heard. 🙂
I’ve had a hard time getting into Aesop Rock, but he comes up so often I should try again.
I have enjoyed most Busdriver that I’ve heard, but I admit I often have to look up his lyrics to understand them, and it’s probably discouraged me from exploring his catalog more than I have. My fave that I’ve heard of his is Much, partially because he slows it down a bit.
Digable Planets - I only knew them for The Rebirth of Slick for decades. Took a deeper look a couple years ago and was blown away. They are high on my list now. Love their sound. Good recommendation there!
I’ve got to also recommend Brother Ali.
You should look into conscious hip hop. Plenty of that kind of music still being made.
the upper class do not want a culture based on anti-authoritianism to emerge.
Truth.
Well thank you for the response, which I admit I expected to not exist or to be rude. 🙂
I’m willing to listen and learn about it all I just don’t think it’ll change my outlook on how it’s effected everyone everywhere negatively.
I wasn’t going to push this on you, but this 4-part documentary literally takes the exact opposite stance and is a documentary regarding the formation and evolution of hip-hop. You don’t owe me anything, but if you are legit interested…
I believe it’s available on at least a couple different streaming services, as well as on the high seas.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt21872984/
Having watched it myself, please resist the temptation to skip around if you do give it a shot. There’s a through-line that will be less apparent if you watch it all chopped up, or skip past certain sections.
I just think it’s been glorified to the point people who have no experience with ghetto culture outside of rap music start acting like they thugs n shit. Like “gangster” shit started happening everywhere with a shitload of people fully embracing not only the visual look but the “hustler” “gangster” lifestyle.
This very thing is discussed at one point, FWIW. 🙂
And you know maybe I’m wrong and I’m just upset things aren’t changing the way I want them to.
I’m about the whitest looking person you could imagine, and I’m in my mid-late 50s. I grew up with a good dose of privilege, but (fortunately?) was thrust into situations through early to mid adulthood that forced me to step outside my comfort zone quite a bit. I look like I should be walking around with a maga hat and intimidating voters with my open-carry firearms, not pseudo-anonymously trying to convince a stranger to give hip hop another chance.
A lot of things haven’t progressed the way I expected them to, either, and I am very familiar with how easy it is to misjudge things that are not within your lived experience.
Hip-Hop is a mirror of what is, not the progenitor of the nation’s problems. It sometimes looks like the progenitor to folks who haven’t previously experienced some of what it reflects in their own daily lives though, I think.
Personally, the only place I’m hearing voices raised about the issues I care about in modern music (and this could be my own narrow view) is within the subgenre of “conscious hip hop.”
a lot of hip-hop that essentially glorified a lot of horrible traits was just what a lot of old, rich white dudes figured would make them money.
Arrested Development touches on that in at least a few of their recent songs. This is one that immediately springs to mind, but there are others:
do i have to tell you how this industry goes down
they wanna promote us as the lowest things around
stereotypical images of blacks all around
police beat us to the ground
do i have to tell you how this industry goes down
promote the thugs with the criminal sound
stereotypical images and white supremacist images of us never innocent it kills
kills, snitches and witnesses
i guess the business is exploit us sexually
but keep us intellectually primitive
sedate the sensitive
nullifying all their initiative
to ever unify, just relying on representatives
our english is now seen as this, opposite of geniuses
the truth is meaningless
they deliberately been deceiving us
…
Edit: Realized the lyrics site had a couple words wrong.
Yes unpopular, but your final sentence indicates a deep lack of understanding regarding the origins, purpose, and breadth of the genre.
You are welcome to your opinion, and I’m 100% sure that no one coming in like that is going to look any deeper. I’m just sharing my opinion that yours is uninformed and superficial.
I really want to like Ska, and I really like nearly the entirety of this album, but whenever I try to branch out from there I come up dry with anything I really enjoy.
I’m at least six years in on my current beard. Many others before that.
Does that make sense?
It does, and honestly I probably belabored this discussion far beyond what I had any reason to. Thanks for staying patient.
you said i shouldn’t be concerned because crime rates are down.
I don’t think I said this.
Overall my point is just - we all have our biases. If you feel guilty about being suspicious about folks in a black hoodie, and if bias against hoodies is likely to be of racist origin, your guilt is some portion of you being aware of that. If you weren’t, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.
It’s OK to admit that, even if only to yourself. I don’t think you should feel guilty about it. But I do think you should acknowledge what’s contributing to that bias. We all have that in some way or another, and I don’t think you can move past it while denying it’s there.
So I looked at your link.
The article seems to be about the fact that it’s racially charged, and that people reporting it may be doing so out of racism
But in the year following Martin’s death, **the number of crimes reported with “Suspect wore hood/hoodie” skyrocketed. In 2013, there were 1,243 reports, a 92% increase from 2012. **
While this was the largest jump since 2010 (when the data became publicly available), the data show the number of suspects being labeled as wearing hoods or hoodies rising each year.
This year, in the first six months, there were 2,510 crimes with “Suspect wore hood/hoodie,” a 29.5% increase from the first six months of 2018, which had 1,938 reported crimes.
How do you read the first quoted bit, then uncritically present the rest of the numbers as being in support of your suspicion??
When you can find statistics showing crimes by people in hoodies are as common a problem as rape and sexual assault against women, then we can talk.
I don’t think that pie chart shows that. Not percentages. Numbers of crimes.
Because if the stipulation is that it’s just as reasonable for you to worry about hoodies as for a woman to worry about a strange man behind her (which is the only way the prior comment would have been relevant) I continue to hard disagree.
I’m equally suspicious about sunglasses and dark caps, but there’s no guilt there because we haven’t historically racially profiled people wearing that.
So then, you are already acknowledging that your reaction is from pro-police racist tropes. Where is the argument between you and I?
Wow you really flipped that around, and even ended with a strawman. How are we talking about women and not hoodies?
You shouldn’t feel bad for being suspicious of someone in a hoodie, but you should realize you are buying into pro-police, racist media manipulation exactly as the other person said.
When you can find statistics showing crimes by people in hoodies are as common a problem as rape and sexual assault against women, then we can talk.
the reality is that some criminals in the streets have a common uniform that non-criminals commonly wear.
Wait until you hear how many criminals wear jeans.
My dude, Woke is a concept that the culture wars have stolen and mangled. It goes back over a hundred years.
And you won’t be surprised at all regarding who they stole it from.
How a Black activist watchword got co-opted in the culture war.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke#Origins_and_usage
Edited to confess I don’t use it in the original context either. I use it like the article mentions near the end:
I don’t actually use it out loud (primarily because of what conservatives have done to the word), but yeah, once you start looking behind the curtain, it’s hard to view it any other way but as an awakening.