That is terrible. Obviously for both sides, but this is on another level. I feel bad for all the innocents that are slaughtered, and are going to be slaughtered because of this.
I reckon it’s going to get decently worse before it gets better unfortunately.
I agree. This pot has been on and off the boil for decades, this latest boil over will be going for a while. I feel sickened by the thought of the news from the region in the coming weeks.
I know that a lot of people are debating the accuracy of some of the more grotesque details and how much is propaganda or truth, and a number have pointed to the lack of official confirmation for some of those claims as evidence of exaggeration.
While I can’t speak to the specifics of what did or didn’t occur in Gaza or what Israel’s official stance is going to be about victim dignity vs transparency, what I can speak to is the nuances of official reporting for the theater attack in France years ago.
Initially eyewitness reports came out that discussed some of the degree of mutilation and torture that occurred over the hours the terrorists held the hostages. Which were later officially denied.
Unfortunately, we had a friend that was present at that attack, and to put it lightly the more detailed initial reports only scratched the surface of what he described having occured. He later took his own life because of the severity of the PTSD.
I don’t know how or why the official response was to say those things hadn’t happened or downplay the hyperviolence of what occurred. And I have no idea if those reasons would extend to Israel’s approach here.
But having heard firsthand eyewitness testimony of the violence and cruelty taking place to hostages of another Islamic terrorist attack, I wouldn’t at all be surprised if the rumors in this case were all true. Similarly, because of the prior situation, I don’t see the lack of official confirmation as evidence that they aren’t.
Personally, I’d hope whatever those reasons were to deny or suppress details might change in the future, as the world should know what really happens in situations like that and what horrors survivors actually went through and the burden they carry following it.
And this is why Israel is like Ukraine and Palestine is like Russia in this war.
And just like that, my last shred of sympathy is gone. Fuck Palestine.
Already ~260 Palestinian children have been killed. That number is only going to go up. No sympathy for them? What about sympathy for the Palestinians living under the rule of Israel and Hamas who haven’t had a real election in almost two decades, and whose oppressors can be best described as ‘bad’ (Israel) and ‘worse’ (Hamas)?
People miss this like it’s some ideological struggle. Like siding with Palestine or Israel inherently are causes with some abstract values attached to them. They’re not, not at their core. It’s just a blood feud. It’s just one big, abhorrent, ugly blood feud with no end in sight.
We should have listened to Hannah Arendt.
Are we doing a dead child competition? In a thread about slaughtered children, what-abouting other slaughtered children is pretty callous. Here is one of multiple stories that cover the monstrosities happening to Palestinian children. Now that the dead child reporting is fair and balanced can we get back to mourning the tragedy that this thread is about?
Decades of oppression, povertyv isolation and killing turns people into monsters.
if you were to take a phalastinian child and put him/her in a peaceful/loving environment surely they would become an ideal citizen.
Solution is peace as it has always been.
You don’t even need to take them out of Gaza. There are 2 million people there and Israel estimated 1000 of them took part in the attack. Decades of oppression turns a tiny sliver into murderous extremists, and yet the whole area gets the retribution.
wut?
do you realize 40% of gaza populations is children under 14? do you realize the west bank has nothing to do with this?
still a drop in the ocean of dead palestinian children.
I agree that comparatively the dead children scales are undoubtedly on the side of the Palestinians. But that does not make this ok. Any eye for an eye and all that. This is disgusting, my support for the Palestinians is unwavering but I am disgusted in their representatives that support and commit this.
It is not ok and should not be accepted, I didn’t defend it when it was Palestinian children and I won’t downplay it now when it is Israelis.
But that does not make this ok
nobody said it was.
im so sick of this attitude
You’re the one who opened with a comparison.
I got banned the other day for saying zionists reap what they sow. No, I don’t support hamas, but apparently that’s implied for having an anti zionist perspective lol
Right wing, theocracy is bad regardless of what religion it is. I wish people would stop letting them hide behind anti-Semitism.
you need the dead kids to be on a specific team before caring?
No, but the Israel supporters sure seem to.
I was listening to MSNBC the other day and they were rightfully reporting that a lot of the prisoner exchange is going on our right now or for women and children because Israel too also imprisoned children.
We’ve got to stop back and like get real some good actor here. They can both suck you know
have you considered responding to instances of that happening, instead of downplaying the butchering or children because someone reported on said butchering
That’s exactly the point. Nobody in the media or here on Lemmy were in any of the other outlets in general even cared when it happened. So instead we’ve created an environment where people have ignored one situation and are responding to another and it completely strips the entire conversation of the context that’s required to understand it.
It’s like a routinely and sadistically bullied individual going into a school and shooting up the place. It’s deplorable, it’s unethical, but the context needs to be there for any honest conversation.
How is anyone supposed to solve this mess if we’re not willing to look at root causes and original feelings from which this violence occurs?
Nobody even looks until the bullied kid has enough and decks the bully right in his fat, hypernationalist mouth, then the adults all freak out protecting the bully and the “aggressor” gets punished.
Let’s not pretend the world is any different than a high school.
no, i care about them all. but if you are implying theres more israeli victims you are misinforming people. its literally the opposite and not even close
can you cite the specific sentence where they implied this?
i meant OP
im aware
