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I think a lot about how we as a culture have turned “forever” into the only acceptable definition of success.

Like… if you open a coffee shop and run it for a while and it makes you happy but then stuff gets too expensive and stressful and you want to do something else so you close it, it’s a “failed” business. If you write a book or two, then decide that you don’t actually want to keep doing that, you’re a “failed” writer. If you marry someone, and that marriage is good for a while, and then stops working and you get divorced, it’s a “failed” marriage.

The only acceptable “win condition” is “you keep doing that thing forever”. A friendship that lasts for a few years but then its time is done and you move on is considered less valuable or not a “real” friendship. A hobby that you do for a while and then are done with is a “phase” - or, alternatively, a “pity” that you don’t do that thing any more. A fandom is “dying” because people have had a lot of fun with it but are now moving on to other things.

| just think that something can be good, and also end, and that thing was still good. And it’s okay to be sad that it ended, too. But the idea that anything that ends is automatically less than this hypothetical eternal state of success… I don’t think that’s doing us any good at all.

  • SkyezOpen@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    Agree with most of these I guess, but marriage specifically is the one thing that’s intended to be forever. Til death do us part and all that jazz.

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      4 months ago

      There’s nothing wrong with forever, but it shouldn’t be some sort of “standard” we hold everything to.

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      4 months ago

      Wasn’t there a study about that Man instinctively looks for other partners after while, this being the natural behavior?

      Given that, christianity sets unrealistic expectations.

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        4 months ago

        99% percent of the times a study calls some ‘natural behaviors’ on humans, it’s just propaganda looking for legitimacy.

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        4 months ago

        Don’t know the study but any anthropologist can tell that’s a generalization on a certain time, place, and society. It’s (mostly) true, only under certain conditions.

        Now did they study any other gender? Perhaps by Man they refer to all humans??

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      4 months ago

      I think it definitely applies to relationships. It does you and any of your partners a disservice to say your relationship was only a success if one of you died.

      A person isn’t a thing you possess. They have needs that grow and change with them. If those needs ever stop being compatible with the relationship, then the relationship should end. That’s not failure. It’s wanting the person you love to be happy.

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        4 months ago

        Marriage is not just another relationship. It’s literally defined by people deciding, and vowing to stay together forever.

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          4 months ago

          But realistically, we all know you can get divorced. While we might hope it’ll be forever, we also know we’re still not gonna stick around if things get too bad (nor should we). Nobody has the shocked pikachu face when marriage isn’t forever after all. No matter what the vows say, in practice we pretty well accept that it’s a big commitment, but not a permanent one.

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            4 months ago

            How about this: things are allowed to fail and that’s OK.

            If you marry someone with the intent of staying together for the rest of your lives but you don’t, the marriage failed. It doesn’t have to define you.