This article is reliable. The author is Farnaz Fassihi. She has solid Iranian elite sources. She has lived and worked in Iran, has covered the country for three decades and was a war correspondent in the Middle East for 15 years.

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    26 days ago

    Regime change is supporting a group inside the country to take power from the entrenched group. There is no reason that it would inherently fail. The current regime is young and deeply unpopular. All throughout history it occurs and succeeds.

    When you have a pariah state like Iran, having a change of regime can give them a path back into the world community. The people in Iran are old enough to remember a time before the current regime and the liberty they enjoyed.

    The situation is already proxy wars. If regime change leads to proxy wars nothing has changed. If it leads to an end to proxy wars then its good.

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      26 days ago

      The people in Iran are old enough to remember a time before the current regime and the liberty they enjoyed.

      Before the Islamic revolution Iran was ruled by the Shah, who the US and UK couped into power against Irans last democratically elected president in 1953. The Shah terrorized his people with the support of the aforementioned and Israel, murdering, torturing and disappearing tens of thousand of people, which is why the whole revolution took off.

      Claiming Iranians used to enjoy liberty under the Shah is peak apologism. That doesn’t mean that Iranians are enjoying many freedoms under the current regime, but there is no indication that the US would bring any “liberty” like they did not bring “liberty” to any place they intervened. Instead the go to are Fascist dictators mass murdering their own people like Pinochet, the Contras, the Shah…

      Meanwhile a regime change forced by the US and Israel in Iran will not lead “back into the world community”. It will lead to another puppet dictator at best and more likely to the “balkanization” of Iran, so the destruction of the nation and creation of a system of eternally warring regional rulers like it was organized in Libya and Syria.

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        25 days ago

        Are you trying to make the case that things are better now than prior to the Islamic revolution?

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          25 days ago

          The claim that there was “liberty” before is false. Unless “liberty” means being under surpression by an US installed regime.

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            25 days ago

            Liberty is a broad concept and can definitely apply here. Do you think women feel like there is less oppression now?

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              25 days ago

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAVAK

              The Bureau for Intelligence and Security of the State (Persian: سازمان اطلاعات و امنیت کشور, romanized: Sâzmân-e Ettelâ’ât va Amniyyat-e Kešvar), shortened to SAVAK (Persian: ساواک) or S.A.V.A.K. (Persian: س.ا.و.ا.ک),[2] was the secret police of the Imperial State of Iran. It was established in Tehran in 1957 by national security law,[3] and continued to operate until the Islamic Revolution in 1979, when it was dissolved by Iranian prime minister Shapour Bakhtiar.

              Writing at the time of the Shah’s overthrow, Time magazine on February 19, 1979, described SAVAK as having “long been Iran’s most hated and feared institution” which had “tortured and murdered thousands of the Shah’s opponents”.[7] The Federation of American Scientists also found it guilty of “the torture and execution of thousands of political prisoners” and symbolising “the Shah’s rule from 1963–79.” The FAS list of SAVAK torture methods included “electric shock, whipping, beating, inserting broken glass and pouring boiling water into the rectum, tying weights to the testicles, and the extraction of teeth and nails”.

              A lot of the structures and part of the personell of SAVAK was then integrated into the current internal police such as the Evin Prtison

              There was no liberty under the US backed regime and whitewashing them as a means to present the US and Israel as the better alternative is wrong.