Guess not, but then don’t be surprised if the others don’t get a clear picture, don’t complain when the information is incomplete, and don’t be a hypocrite by assuming someone else’s motivations.

I didn’t know this is like Beehaw where you need to come hat in hand with an introductory essay before you can ask a question.

Fine, I apologise for not saying Hello, I was tired. But if you need more than that, then well I’m not your person. I was in the scifi thread, got upset, then realised I should ask the other side as well. I was trying to get a picture, couldn’t get it, we both said/agreed the debate is over, so I left because I was getting more tired and upset and didn’t want to say something bad and frankly got worried that someone would make it about me, like it’s here. Guess that’s wrong?

I wanted to sleep on it, but when this meme showed up, I tried to recap the situation here as neutrally as possible for people, tried to avoid saying who is right (ed: at first at least. Stress on “tried”, whether you believe it or not.), didn’t call out any particular admin, told people to make up their own mind, and i’m still the bad guy. I really don’t know what you expect from someone to recap the situation. “The great diligent admins banned the toxic harasser who’s been nothing but spewing vile”, was that what I was supposed to write?

Despite what you may think about my motivations, I don’t have any stake in this other than trying to help make Lemmy a good platform, but for quite a while it’s been pointless due to all this toxic positivity where everyone has to walk on tiptoes.

If you want to accuse people of twisting words, you need to look into the mirror as well, Antik. As you say, I talked to you on Matrix and couldn’t get an answer to a question I asked 3 times, and then you deliberately misinterpret what I say.

So also don’t tell me that I don’t try to communicate, when I did exactly that. And you don’t know what I do to coordinate with other people around Lemmy. I don’t talk to admins because I don’t want to bug you people with every little thing when I’m sure you’re busy with other stuff and everyone is trying to talk. And I literally can’t use Discord because it’s a broken POS. Yet I still was in your Discord server before you had this official one.

All I wanted in this thread is to provide information to people who didn’t know what happened. As accurately and sparsely as possible to let people make up your own mind, and I definitely don’t think I twisted anything, much less the timeline. You say I misinterpreted things because I don’t see it from your perspective.

Whatever, we are all humans, have our own point of view, but don’t accuse me of sensationalism or some other motivations. That’s like, one of the last thing I ever want, and I don’t like it when people accuse me of motivations that are completely off. Like what do you think I’m doing, trying to take over the server or what would be the point of sensationalism and transforming reality?

I don’t even “feel the certain way” about the admins, I told you that you do a fine job in general. But true, there’s a general attitude on Lemmy that tends to put a sour taste in my mouth, and I’ve always tried to do my part to not be a part of it. The “don’t say the wrong thing or you’ll get banned” and “suspect everyone is out to just make drama” among those issues.

And of course as a mod I know what a fine line that is. Shiit, when I talked to my co-mods about this thing, the first thing I asked was if I’m not hypocritical. I try not to be. So please try to not look for the worst in people. Most are just trying their best to make this site a better place, just like you, and everyone is passionate about different things.

Definitely adamant, but from what I’ve seen, nothing out of the ordinary on Lemmy where everyone is free to bring to certain topics and bitch about them constantly and anywhere (Reddit, Musk, cops…). Like everyone is free to pile on and brigade against Unity right now, so I don’t see the difference.

If anything, I’ve definitely seen more toxicity from some defensive Sync users myself.

Back when lots of apps were coming out, I was also questioning how weird it is to have a closed-source ad-supported client for this platform that’s all about open source and privacy, and was called all kinds of names. I’ve blocked quite a few people at that time rather than reporting, that’s what I prefer to do.

I asked an admin directly several times if there was anything else than these kinds of incidents, and couldn’t get a straight answer.

This one, lemmy.world

For those who missed this. Izzy, the (only) mod at the science fiction community, was banned by admins.

The reason is him often complaining about there being ads in the Sync client for Lemmy.

Admins take that as toxic behavior and harassment, and ultimately banned him. Which… Take it as you wish, the modlog and comment histories are available.

Izzy came back from another account to say their goodbyes, as they no longer wish to be involved anyway. This post seems to have disappeared.

Then a bit later, admin came to SF to make a post looking for new mods. When people brought up the situation, they locked the thread.

I was trying to think of a meme for this situation but I’m too depressed, honestly. So yea, apt

but sometimes you have kids online who don’t obviously seem like kids because you can’t see them

Point taken… Altho personally I don’t care about how old someone is. When I game online or just squat on Lemmy/Reddit/forum, I’m fine taking to people whether they’re 13 or 70. If anything, younger people tend to be more open minded, which possibly comes with having access to all the information.

But yea I guess some topics probably hit different when you grow up in a certain style of environment. Still, when I babysit kids, I find they are curious about everything and are willing to change their mind if they get explained something realistically. And I don’t see younger people ask loaded questions as often as older folks do.

I’d imagine if you’re not in tech circles you also don’t find out much about privacy risks.

I don’t begrudge people for not knowing things. What I find interesting is how they react when they learn about something, or their initial train of thought. You probably know the experiment of asking randos “should dihydrohen monoxide be banned?”

I have this hobby almost, I like finding new things, weird and divisive stuff. Oddball topics, weird fetishes, strange habits, crazy hobbies, wild art, whatever. If there’s a community with “weird” in the title, I’ll probably subscribe to it.

And it also gives me some insight into how outsiders react when they stumble upon that stuff. Most people, when confronted with something out of their ordinary, tend to go “damn good thing I’m normal, everyone is weird” or worse. So I guess it is human nature, but you can also imagine how tiring it can get.

I understand and even appreciate that people have different priorities, worries and preferences. Which is why I dislike the attitude some take, “if you don’t care about X, you’re part of the problem”. It may even be true in lots of cases, but we can’t all care about the same things, less we all worry about everything all the time, and that’s not good or realistic.

Funny thing though. I’ve seen people have civil debates about the most sensitive, divisive topics, as long as the initial question or statement comes from a place of genuine curiosity.

But whenever I see people ask the “why is privacy important?” question, it’s never just “am I missing something?” but more of a “gimme all the ads, collect everything about me, I don’t care”, sometimes with the “you conspiracy theorists weirdos, nobody cares about you and you’re probably pedos anyway” sprinkled in.

So it’s a bit tiring to see this over and over, hence my snark at the beginning. And I don’t know where the attitude is coming from. Maybe it’s just a relatively new issue and people aren’t used to constantly being exposed to the debate, like with some other topics?

But in that case I gather that it should be the opposite problem - we used to have much more privacy than we have now, that just has to be obvious (hence the questions in the first place), so the proper question to ask would be “wait, why is everyone so interested in everything I do all of a sudden? Why is every corporation suddenly collecting all my data and giving me free stuff in return while raking in billions of profits? Hm, sus”

Eh maybe I’m missing something.

My point is that if it’s something that clearly lots of people care about, it’s probably a good idea to think a little.

The “why anyone would” part is in the “why people make a fuss”. I don’t wish to be a teacher here picking apart every word, don’t get me wrong, but people get upset if you invalidate what they care about. It’s like telling someone who’s angry to calm down.

Fortunately people here have more patience heh.

Well imagine coming to a vegetarian forum and asking: “Why does everyone make a fuss about killing animals? I eat meat three times every day, go on hunts every month, sometimes just for fun, I don’t even eat those animals. Also I don’t care about cages and all that, animals don’t have souls anyway.”

It may also be a genuine question, but sometimes it’s good to spend 10 seconds before asking, either by just thinking or maybe do a very brief web search.

In general, questions of the “I don’t care about X so I don’t see why anyone else could” kind tend to be like that. You can ask, but you can also expect people won’t want to talk to you.

If you’d phrase this in a less twatty way, you could almost ask this in a “no stupid questions” community.

SF: Europa Report

Just read the ancient Jedi texts (i.e. the sidebar)

You’re strong and wise and we’re very proud of you.

Does anyone here have a real stormtrooper helmet?

but no one has bred for it

Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Bred?

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Why would you, neither of them knew. Honestly it’s just the SW saga’s obsession with parents and children that makes this notable.

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