As the US-backed Israeli ethnic cleansing campaign enters its fifth month, major demonstrations drawing tens of thousands of people took place in the United States over the weekend.
You say “Hamas” like they’re a set of uniformed people that can be targeted. They aren’t, they’re a guerilla group operating intentionally inside civilian locations and even households in order to shield themselves or at least cause public outcry when Israel goes after them.
Why does the IDF refuse to send people into bunkers? Because it’s a great way to lose a lot of soldiers, bunkers literally exist to prevent entry and capturing them will cost tens of thousands of Israeli lives. Why should Israel have to fight fair if Hamas will not?
Why are they being pushed closer to the border? Because if nobody lives up north, then Hamas can’t use the northern areas to attack the adjacent areas.
Also important to remember, is that Gaza itself was created by an invasion from Egypt the day after Israel declared independence, and was controlled by Egypt for almost 20 years before Israel took it back. Now Egypt locks that border and doesn’t want these people either, while simultaneously not giving much of a shit about the tunnels being used to smuggle arms into Gaza.
Israel isn’t even trying to kill a large number of the supposedly targeted population, there are a couple of million people in Gaza, and they’re only at a few tens of thousands after months. That’s near the birth rate of the area. They may be trying to expel them from the area, but I don’t really classify that alone as genocide, given what genocide has historically looked like.
What’s happening to the 8 million Uyghurs right now in China is genocide with forced marriages and banning of cultural practices, what’s happening to the hundreds of thousands of forcibly transferred children in the Ukraine-Russia conflict is genocide, what happened to the millions of Jews killed by the Germans was genocide.
Killing 30,000 out of over two million Palestinians and pushing them into a smaller area at the south part of Israel so they stop attacking them just doesn’t meet the bar of genocide for me. Israel had to build a multi-billion dollar fucking rocket defence system just to keep civilian deaths down from this neighbor that wants peace so badly. That worked so well that Hamas instead decided to just build some tunnels and kill a thousand Israeli civilians directly, and their people cheered them on for it. I call that a war.
You start by saying that Hamas is so unlike a government or even an organized terrorist group like Isis that no one can possibly use common counter terror tactics against them, and by the end your saying that they are the government of Gaza repeating civilians who don’t want peace and which is actively fighting a war.
As to your point about bunkers. Yes soldiers die in combat, that is why Isreal gives them combat pay. If you never send soldiers to fight against Hamas to gather intelligence from the places where you say there is the intelligence necessary to fight them, then by your own admission you are not trying to fight Hamas.
Their was a reason why for instance the US sent actual soldiers with training in intelligence gathering into Osama Bin Ladin’s compound instead of just launching a few unguided bombs which lacked the physical accuracy to hit a specific building, even though doing so risked the soldiers getting shot at. But hay, maybe if the Israeli soldiers are unable to clear bunkers they can beg for the US to send the soldiers it used to clear the far more heavily fortified bunkers networks in the mountains of Afghanistan.
Because going to where the enemy is and trying to get basic intelligence isn’t fighting fair, it is what you need to do to fight period.
Moreover, why would Egypt want a bunch of Israeli refugees? Because at the end of the day, Palestinians are people who lived on the land that is now called Isreal for thousands of years, and now live in locked down territories that are administered and controlled by the Israeli government, and who by the Isreali governments own policy are dependent on Israel for their safety. Surely it is Isreal’s responsibility to intograte them into its population, not some foreign government.
But as to your original point. Irregardless of what you personally think the word means.
In 1948, the United Nations Genocide Convention defined genocide as any of five “acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group”
Palestinians are an ethnic group native to Palesitine, read Isreal, and not Egypt. Removing them from their houses in Palestine, after they were expelled from their homes in Isreal for being the wrong race, and putting them in the desert south of Gaza seems like an effort to destroy an ethnic group by a prolonged effort of ethnic cleaning.
Although if you want to be more specific and talk about the words your original comment was about.
Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic, racial, or religious groups from a given area, with the intent of making a region ethnically homogeneous. Along with direct removal such as deportation or population transfer, it also includes indirect methods aimed at forced migration by coercing the victim group to flee and preventing its return, such as murder, rape, and property destruction.
I really don’t see how the forced relocation by property destruction could be contested, seeing as the IDF is again by its own admission not using weapons capable of targeting specific buildings. Pushing all the civilians further south so that ‘they’ stop attacking is also, fun fact, called collective punishment and is prohibited by section 33 of the Geneva convention.
You say “Hamas” like they’re a set of uniformed people that can be targeted. They aren’t, they’re a guerilla group operating intentionally inside civilian locations and even households in order to shield themselves or at least cause public outcry when Israel goes after them.
Why does the IDF refuse to send people into bunkers? Because it’s a great way to lose a lot of soldiers, bunkers literally exist to prevent entry and capturing them will cost tens of thousands of Israeli lives. Why should Israel have to fight fair if Hamas will not?
Why are they being pushed closer to the border? Because if nobody lives up north, then Hamas can’t use the northern areas to attack the adjacent areas.
Also important to remember, is that Gaza itself was created by an invasion from Egypt the day after Israel declared independence, and was controlled by Egypt for almost 20 years before Israel took it back. Now Egypt locks that border and doesn’t want these people either, while simultaneously not giving much of a shit about the tunnels being used to smuggle arms into Gaza.
Israel isn’t even trying to kill a large number of the supposedly targeted population, there are a couple of million people in Gaza, and they’re only at a few tens of thousands after months. That’s near the birth rate of the area. They may be trying to expel them from the area, but I don’t really classify that alone as genocide, given what genocide has historically looked like.
What’s happening to the 8 million Uyghurs right now in China is genocide with forced marriages and banning of cultural practices, what’s happening to the hundreds of thousands of forcibly transferred children in the Ukraine-Russia conflict is genocide, what happened to the millions of Jews killed by the Germans was genocide.
Killing 30,000 out of over two million Palestinians and pushing them into a smaller area at the south part of Israel so they stop attacking them just doesn’t meet the bar of genocide for me. Israel had to build a multi-billion dollar fucking rocket defence system just to keep civilian deaths down from this neighbor that wants peace so badly. That worked so well that Hamas instead decided to just build some tunnels and kill a thousand Israeli civilians directly, and their people cheered them on for it. I call that a war.
I’ll admit, your comment is amazing.
You start by saying that Hamas is so unlike a government or even an organized terrorist group like Isis that no one can possibly use common counter terror tactics against them, and by the end your saying that they are the government of Gaza repeating civilians who don’t want peace and which is actively fighting a war.
As to your point about bunkers. Yes soldiers die in combat, that is why Isreal gives them combat pay. If you never send soldiers to fight against Hamas to gather intelligence from the places where you say there is the intelligence necessary to fight them, then by your own admission you are not trying to fight Hamas.
Their was a reason why for instance the US sent actual soldiers with training in intelligence gathering into Osama Bin Ladin’s compound instead of just launching a few unguided bombs which lacked the physical accuracy to hit a specific building, even though doing so risked the soldiers getting shot at. But hay, maybe if the Israeli soldiers are unable to clear bunkers they can beg for the US to send the soldiers it used to clear the far more heavily fortified bunkers networks in the mountains of Afghanistan.
Because going to where the enemy is and trying to get basic intelligence isn’t fighting fair, it is what you need to do to fight period.
Moreover, why would Egypt want a bunch of Israeli refugees? Because at the end of the day, Palestinians are people who lived on the land that is now called Isreal for thousands of years, and now live in locked down territories that are administered and controlled by the Israeli government, and who by the Isreali governments own policy are dependent on Israel for their safety. Surely it is Isreal’s responsibility to intograte them into its population, not some foreign government.
But as to your original point. Irregardless of what you personally think the word means.
In 1948, the United Nations Genocide Convention defined genocide as any of five “acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group”
Palestinians are an ethnic group native to Palesitine, read Isreal, and not Egypt. Removing them from their houses in Palestine, after they were expelled from their homes in Isreal for being the wrong race, and putting them in the desert south of Gaza seems like an effort to destroy an ethnic group by a prolonged effort of ethnic cleaning.
Although if you want to be more specific and talk about the words your original comment was about.
Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic, racial, or religious groups from a given area, with the intent of making a region ethnically homogeneous. Along with direct removal such as deportation or population transfer, it also includes indirect methods aimed at forced migration by coercing the victim group to flee and preventing its return, such as murder, rape, and property destruction.
I really don’t see how the forced relocation by property destruction could be contested, seeing as the IDF is again by its own admission not using weapons capable of targeting specific buildings. Pushing all the civilians further south so that ‘they’ stop attacking is also, fun fact, called collective punishment and is prohibited by section 33 of the Geneva convention.