I don’t think Germans visiting those concentration camps paid any attention and I don’t think they have any guilt towards the Holocaust whatsoever.
If they did Germans would be absolutely disgusted with a new genocide happening with German support. Hell the AfD neo-Nazis are the most popular party in Germany these days.
Germany similar to the USA has a very strong Zionist lobby and that’s it. They do not care about the Holocaust.
This is such an ill informed and disgusting comment. It comes from a place of media propaganda. Germany is having an issue with the AfD, yes, but the rest of the world is also struggling with far right extremism and its rise to power again. Go to Germany, you’ll change your outlook on the people, the culture, and hopefully regret the blanket statement you just made.
If you replace the word Muslim with Jew Germany basically looks like 1930.
The German lack of self awareness is only surpassed by their racism because they now think Jews are white and don’t understand how a genocide could have been perpetrated against white people.
Such a statement proves you know nothing of Germany, little of its history and shows you lack empathy. You’re being willfully cruel towards a population you’ve never encountered, towards a place you’ve never been. Its ironic, really, how you’re so quick to judge us, but don’t see your own projections. I really wish I knew you personally, just to show you how wrong you are.
If they did Germans would be absolutely disgusted with a new genocide happening with German support. Hell the AfD neo-Nazis are the most popular party in Germany these days.
Believe me, many of us are disgusted. Not only the AfD has grown, the leftist party DIE LINKE has almost tripled their poll results over the last year. The problem is that the left half of the spectrum (SPD, Grüne and LINKE) still can’t agree which flavor of “left” is the correct one so they rather blame each other than form a coalition which leaves the CDU/CSU as the strongest power that can just dictate what happens and the SPD has to go along with it out of fear that otherwise the CDU will eventually work with the AfD.
Die Linke is the only slight anti genocide party and they have like 10% of the votes. The Greens are literally saying it’s OK for Israel to kill Palestinian civilians. Germany is fully doomed and the only people unable to see it are Germans.
The Greens are literally saying it’s OK for Israel to kill Palestinian civilians.
Where? When? You can’t just claim that without providing a source and expect us to believe it.
While they do state on their website that Israel has a right to defend itself and Hamas should release all remaining hostages, they immediately follow it up with this (translated by me to the best of my ability):
Israel’s military operation must happen under the conditions of international humanitarian law. The new military offensive of Israel’s government in Gaza will further worsen the dramatic humanitarian conditions for civilians in Gaza. The suffering of the people of Gaza is immeasurable. We expect the federal government to increase their efforts to advocate for Israel’s government to obey international humanitarian law, for a ceasefire and for an immediate end of the blockade of humanitarian aid. The people of Gaza need access to vital help right now. Every day costs more human lives. For this, the federal government should strengthen the principles of the G7 - no displacement, no occupation, no decrease in territory, no decision about the future of Gaza without the Palestinian people.
How is that “OK for Israel to kill Palestinian civilians”?
Edit: Rephrased the initial “They don’t” to a question about the source; translated a bit more of the page.
Germany’s Foreign Minister, Annalena Baerbock, addressed parliament yesterday and justified Israel’s targeting of civilians in Gaza. ‘Self-defence means not only attacking terrorists but destroying them. When Hamas terrorists hide behind people, behind schools… civilian places lose their protected status because terrorists abuse it.’
This, however, is not true, according to human rights lawyer, Craig Mokhiber. The former senior UN human rights official told MEMO claims that Israel has a right to ‘self-defence’ in Gaza don’t have a standing in international law.
And where does that say that it’s okay to kill civilians? She very clearly says that civilian places, not people can, not must, lose their protected status if Hamas, not the civilian population, use them to hide weapons or active combatants. This is in accordance with the Geneva Conventions:
The protection to which fixed establishments and mobile medical units of the Medical Service are entitled shall not cease unless they are used to commit, outside their humanitarian duties, acts harmful to the enemy. Protection may, however, cease only after a due warning has been given, naming, in all appropriate cases, a reasonable time limit and after such warning has remained unheeded.
How about you stop assuming things that I never said or meant? I fully agree that Israel has no rights to set even one foot into Gaza, that every dead civilian is one too many and that Benjamin Netanyahu needs to be dragged before the ICC as soon as possible.
But it’s still important to look at facts about what some party or the other said and not your twisted interpretation based on what you want to believe the world to be. Calling everyone who even slightly deviates from your opinion Zionist and a Nazi just strengthens the actual Nazis in the AfD, the right wing of the CDU/CSU, the Republicans in the USA and so on. This is exactly what I meant by ‘left half of the spectrum (SPD, Grüne and LINKE) still can’t agree which flavor of “left” is the correct one’. If we want to prevail against the flood of right-wing hatemongers who twist the narrative to their advantage, we must stick together and we must stick to the facts. Otherwise, we are, as you have phrased it, doomed.
The Holocaust once came up in conversation with a German and he was moved to tears. He was an older generation though, somewhat less removed from the reality.
You also said “Sounds like they were ‘good Germans’”
So your objection to the idea that your parents would have been good Germans is just “they were born to make late”?
I don’t even with the rest of your message. You know two things. How to argue in bad faith and intentionally misunderstand people.
I’ve been entirely good faith and haven’t intentionally misunderstood anything. You’re just launching personal attacks now because you don’t have a counter argument
I don’t think Germans visiting those concentration camps paid any attention and I don’t think they have any guilt towards the Holocaust whatsoever.
If they did Germans would be absolutely disgusted with a new genocide happening with German support. Hell the AfD neo-Nazis are the most popular party in Germany these days.
Germany similar to the USA has a very strong Zionist lobby and that’s it. They do not care about the Holocaust.
This is such an ill informed and disgusting comment. It comes from a place of media propaganda. Germany is having an issue with the AfD, yes, but the rest of the world is also struggling with far right extremism and its rise to power again. Go to Germany, you’ll change your outlook on the people, the culture, and hopefully regret the blanket statement you just made.
If you replace the word Muslim with Jew Germany basically looks like 1930.
The German lack of self awareness is only surpassed by their racism because they now think Jews are white and don’t understand how a genocide could have been perpetrated against white people.
Such a statement proves you know nothing of Germany, little of its history and shows you lack empathy. You’re being willfully cruel towards a population you’ve never encountered, towards a place you’ve never been. Its ironic, really, how you’re so quick to judge us, but don’t see your own projections. I really wish I knew you personally, just to show you how wrong you are.
No, that’s what Germany is doing towards Gaza.
Have you ever been to Nazi Germany in 1940?
No, and neither have you. We humans have this wonderful tool that allows us to transmit information across space and time, it’s called communication.
Does it also allow me to observe present day Germany?
Believe me, many of us are disgusted. Not only the AfD has grown, the leftist party DIE LINKE has almost tripled their poll results over the last year. The problem is that the left half of the spectrum (SPD, Grüne and LINKE) still can’t agree which flavor of “left” is the correct one so they rather blame each other than form a coalition which leaves the CDU/CSU as the strongest power that can just dictate what happens and the SPD has to go along with it out of fear that otherwise the CDU will eventually work with the AfD.
Die Linke is the only slight anti genocide party and they have like 10% of the votes. The Greens are literally saying it’s OK for Israel to kill Palestinian civilians. Germany is fully doomed and the only people unable to see it are Germans.
Where? When? You can’t just claim that without providing a source and expect us to believe it.
While they do state on their website that Israel has a right to defend itself and Hamas should release all remaining hostages, they immediately follow it up with this (translated by me to the best of my ability):
How is that “OK for Israel to kill Palestinian civilians”?
Edit: Rephrased the initial “They don’t” to a question about the source; translated a bit more of the page.
And where does that say that it’s okay to kill civilians? She very clearly says that civilian places, not people can, not must, lose their protected status if Hamas, not the civilian population, use them to hide weapons or active combatants. This is in accordance with the Geneva Conventions:
(GC (I), Article 21, emphasis mine)
Stop with the Zionist propaganda. You are literally doing the Nazi thing. “Hitler defended himself into Poland”.
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How about you stop assuming things that I never said or meant? I fully agree that Israel has no rights to set even one foot into Gaza, that every dead civilian is one too many and that Benjamin Netanyahu needs to be dragged before the ICC as soon as possible.
But it’s still important to look at facts about what some party or the other said and not your twisted interpretation based on what you want to believe the world to be. Calling everyone who even slightly deviates from your opinion Zionist and a Nazi just strengthens the actual Nazis in the AfD, the right wing of the CDU/CSU, the Republicans in the USA and so on. This is exactly what I meant by ‘left half of the spectrum (SPD, Grüne and LINKE) still can’t agree which flavor of “left” is the correct one’. If we want to prevail against the flood of right-wing hatemongers who twist the narrative to their advantage, we must stick together and we must stick to the facts. Otherwise, we are, as you have phrased it, doomed.
What she is saying is not facts it is Zionist propaganda contradicting international law.
Adolf Hitler said he was defending himself into Poland. Was he? Is anyone repeating what he is saying “repeating the law”?
The Holocaust once came up in conversation with a German and he was moved to tears. He was an older generation though, somewhat less removed from the reality.
Ask that same older generation about the genocide in Gaza. See what they say.
My parents were born late in the 1940s.
Both are disgusted by the actions of Israel as well as Hamas.
What’s your point?
So your parents would have been disgusted by both the actions of the Nazis and the Jews in the Warsaw ghetto. Sounds like they were ‘good Germans’
Hence why I said “would have”.
Clearly not, given that Hamas aren’t a different species or people. Hamas is literally the government of Gaza, it is made up of Palestinians.
This is always just a lazy excuse to keep massacring Palestinians.
“They weren’t terrorists, they were freedoms fighters!”
You would have called the Jews in the Warsaw ghetto uprising terrorists.
You would have justified the destruction of the Warsaw ghetto in the same way.
Turns out, any time someone says they disagree with “both a sides” of a genocide, you don’t have to dig far to discover that they support the genocide
You also said “Sounds like they were ‘good Germans’”
I don’t even with the rest of your message. You know two things. How to argue in bad faith and intentionally misunderstand people.
So your objection to the idea that your parents would have been good Germans is just “they were born to make late”?
I’ve been entirely good faith and haven’t intentionally misunderstood anything. You’re just launching personal attacks now because you don’t have a counter argument
“Both are disgusted by the actions of the Nazis as well as the Jews.”
That’s your parents
Nicht alles was hinkt ist ein Vergleich.
Wir haben er nicht gewusst.
Wow. Some preconceptions you have there.
I have some preconceptions about the Nazis too.
My perception of Germans would greatly improve if they did not come running to defend their government’s complicity in genocide all the time.
I don’t think bashing you is helpful, that’s why I kept it short. The other comment here made some excellent points.
The main gist being we’re not allowed to say anything about this. We’re really not.
So this very and too late message is impressive, for our circumstances.
Don’t mix what we’re allowed to say with the public opinion.