• Fizz@lemmy.nz
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    10 days ago

    Yes I agree with what you’re saying but the tweet ignores that you’re likely already doing both giving money to cops and giving money to poor people so the nuance of effectiveness of where to allocate the extra funds is not as simple as the tweet puts. I can think of a ton of times where increasing welfare does not impact crime statistics and increasing cop spending does and vice versa. I really do wish it was as simple as the tweet makes it out to be because throwing money at a problem is actually pretty easy.

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      10 days ago

      It is, and I have no idea what you’re talking about.

      When people have food on the table and roof over their beds, they don’t need to do crime.

      Fund mental health care for all, and viola, we are only left with wage theft and police brutality as the most common crimes, which are done by rich and powerful people.

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        10 days ago

        I can tell you have no idea what im talking about you’re literally the person in the tweet who thinks its a simple issue that is easily solved by giving people food and housing. I dont know what planet you live on but people have food and housing and still commit crime. Giving people a good quality of life reduces crime but there are other factors at play.

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          You are exactly the suit that is being lamented in the meme. Your narrow minded view of the world was programmed into you and you’ve not shed it yet.

          Crimes of desperation don’t happen when people aren’t desperate. Most petty thefts are crimes of desperation. Some of jealousy.

          You’re just unthinking and uncaring as a result of your conditioning. I hope better for you.

          You’re getting robbed blind by suits while seeing desperate people trying to survive as the problem inside a system designed to crush them under a jackboot.

          It doesn’t have to be this way.

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            10 days ago

            Why are you saying crimes of desperation when we are talking about general crime. Most of the people committing crime have food and a place to live. It’s not all homeless starving people.

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              I’ll agree with you.

              Like is someone stealing a ps5 to hawk it for food or pay rent? Sometimes but definitely not always.

              It’s kind of pathetic how everyone is acting like this is a simple issue that you fix basic social safety nets and there won’t be crime. Just as pathetic as right wing takes on immigration or basically everything.

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          10 days ago

          I expect your mind is made up and that you already realize this, but it’s not that this idea would solve all crime, it’s that it would help. It’s about which policies do the most good.

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            9 days ago

            You dont think I understand that this helps? I know this helps. This tweet is acting like they’ve found an absolute fact and no one in government is listening but that doesnt track at all with reality and “memes” like this erode public trust in government. The reality is every single leftwing government around the world knows this and even right wing ones at this point. They have all implemented some form of policy based on this understanding but it’s not a silver bullet and government is a balancing act and at some point you still need other approaches like police.

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          10 days ago

          I can tell you have no idea what im talking about

          Gaslighting is abuse. It’s why centrists do it all the fucking time.

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      I can think of a ton of times where increasing welfare does not impact crime statistics and increasing cop spending does and vice versa.

      The point is not just to increase it, but to make it enough for people to not resort to commit crimes.

      But I’m curious about this take. Scientific literature vastly supports the idea of welfare as a societal stabilizer. What it does not support as much is increased enforcement as a way to curb crime in developed and democratic countries. Which concrete examples can you show to support your point?