Gotta say it’s funny to me how this fact is so shocking to people yet male circumcision is so commonplace a lot of women won’t even touch a non circumcised penis.
This isn’t tryna be whataboutism it’s just genuinely ironically funny to me
To be fair, female circumcision is far more horrific than male circumcision. It often involves cutting or burning off the clitoris and is explicitly a method of controling the sexuality of women.
That said, male circumcision is also bullshit and a violation of bodily autonomy.
So you don’t get it? The reason is obviously some people find one thing less bad than the other and objectively speaking FGM is worse than male circumcision.
For (I believe) most people in the world both are bad. You can be against both and still see a difference. What is shocking about that?
To believe someone is pro male circumcision just because they think (several types of) FGM are worse is zero-sum thinking.
You’re the one who doesn’t get that my point is why are we fucking with infants genitals at all.
It really doesn’t matter which method is worse than the other.
That’s why I brought up the orphan crushing machine. A story about someone saving orphans, from an orphan crushing machine, is seen as something to be celebrated. Yet no one questions why there’s an orphan crushing machine to begin with.
You explicitly wrote that you are shocked people react differently. The reason is they have different practices in mind. In context of that question this difference does matter.
That doesn’t have anything to do with whether or not you are against both practices or not.
there’s actually a pretty broud spectrum of procedures referred to as female circumcision. most of them are far more extreme than male circumcision, but type 1a is basically equivalent, though by far a minority. other forms are even worse than you’ve described.
but i’ve also got to point out that male circumcision is also explicitely a method of sexual control, among other excuses. a major reason it ever caught on in america was in an effort to prevent masturbation.
Female speaking up here: They’re missing out then, circumcised penises have never been as much fun as uncircumcised. The sex is just better when their dick is unmutilated. Trust me when I say I have tried both and know the difference. Even if they were mutilated at birth.
Also, as an added bonus, people who are uncut tend to have better hygiene, and know how to clean their bits! Circumcised people are never as clean. I mean ew. Honestly. It shouldn’t be so difficult. This is all anecdotal of course, but so far true for every encounter. Clean your dicks, people! Your lady friend will notice.
You havent truly lived unless youve watched a crazy drunk white girl from Florida perform a DIY clitorodectomy in glorious 320p on some shitty cam website in 2003.
Circumcision is such a big thing in Islam that Muslim men are generally circumcised. Some Muslim cultures even circumcise girls, which naturally causes horrible suffering.
5 Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.”
6 The apostles and elders met to consider this question. 7 After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. 8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. 9 He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. 10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? 11 No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”
Nobody is saying anyone must be circumcised. But it is encouraged and usually forced upon children in christian churches through baptism. Your verse does not say what you think it does. See my reply above.
2 Watch out for those dogs, those people who do evil, those mutilators who say you must be circumcised to be saved.
Because not everyone knows this stuff: this is text from one of the Epistles (Latin for “letters”) which are attributed to Paul of Tarsus also known as Saint Paul the Apostle. Apostle means one of the chief disciples of Jesus Christ. The Epistles provide instruction to early Christians on how to organize their churches.
@Archpawn@lemmy.world posts another relevant passage.
The bible says a lot of things that Christian churches do not teach. Quoting anything in the old testament you might as well just say that Christianity teaches that you shouldn’t have long hair or ear piercings, which is clearly not true. That verse also does not say what you think it does. It says that you should watch out for people who say you “must” be circumcised to be saved. I’ve never heard anyone say that anywhere. That doesn’t mean it’s not encouraged in the church. That doesn’t mean it’s not taught. That doesn’t mean it’s not done as part of baptism (as it has been at literally every christian church I’ve seen). But yeah, of course no one is going around saying you won’t be saved unless you do so. That doesn’t make it “NOT a Christian thing”.
A major point of the quote I provided is that Christians are not bound by such strictures on dress, diet, mold remediation, etc., set forth in Leviticus, Deuteronomy, or elsewhere in Hebrew Scripture (which the early Christian church adapted with some changes to be the Old Testament).
I myself have been to a lot of baptisms, and there’s never been a circumcision involved. It’s not on me to prove a negative though…where’s your evidence?
the orc appears to be a woman, so that would be quite the feat
Female circumcision exists
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Gotta say it’s funny to me how this fact is so shocking to people yet male circumcision is so commonplace a lot of women won’t even touch a non circumcised penis.
This isn’t tryna be whataboutism it’s just genuinely ironically funny to me
To be fair, female circumcision is far more horrific than male circumcision. It often involves cutting or burning off the clitoris and is explicitly a method of controling the sexuality of women.
That said, male circumcision is also bullshit and a violation of bodily autonomy.
Like I said I get it.
But it can easily be boiled down to, the torture of this baby is fine but the torture of that baby is abhorrent.
Kinda like the orphan crushing machine. Why are we torturing babies at all?
So you don’t get it? The reason is obviously some people find one thing less bad than the other and objectively speaking FGM is worse than male circumcision.
For (I believe) most people in the world both are bad. You can be against both and still see a difference. What is shocking about that?
To believe someone is pro male circumcision just because they think (several types of) FGM are worse is zero-sum thinking.
You’re the one who doesn’t get that my point is why are we fucking with infants genitals at all.
It really doesn’t matter which method is worse than the other.
That’s why I brought up the orphan crushing machine. A story about someone saving orphans, from an orphan crushing machine, is seen as something to be celebrated. Yet no one questions why there’s an orphan crushing machine to begin with.
You explicitly wrote that you are shocked people react differently. The reason is they have different practices in mind. In context of that question this difference does matter.
That doesn’t have anything to do with whether or not you are against both practices or not.
there’s actually a pretty broud spectrum of procedures referred to as female circumcision. most of them are far more extreme than male circumcision, but type 1a is basically equivalent, though by far a minority. other forms are even worse than you’ve described.
but i’ve also got to point out that male circumcision is also explicitely a method of sexual control, among other excuses. a major reason it ever caught on in america was in an effort to prevent masturbation.
As were cereals (corn flakes). And we all know circumcised Americans that eat cereal do not wank.
Interestingly, clitoral hood reduction, which would be the most similar to male circumcision, is sometimes done voluntarily to improve sensation.
Female speaking up here: They’re missing out then, circumcised penises have never been as much fun as uncircumcised. The sex is just better when their dick is unmutilated. Trust me when I say I have tried both and know the difference. Even if they were mutilated at birth.
Also, as an added bonus, people who are uncut tend to have better hygiene, and know how to clean their bits! Circumcised people are never as clean. I mean ew. Honestly. It shouldn’t be so difficult. This is all anecdotal of course, but so far true for every encounter. Clean your dicks, people! Your lady friend will notice.
You havent truly lived unless youve watched a crazy drunk white girl from Florida perform a DIY clitorodectomy in glorious 320p on some shitty cam website in 2003.
Also circumcision is an earth/human/Christian thing. Pretty sure no dnd religions even mention it, but I could be wrong about that.
Circumcision is such a big thing in Islam that Muslim men are generally circumcised. Some Muslim cultures even circumcise girls, which naturally causes horrible suffering.
You mean Jewish thing.
It’s a many cultures thing. My point was it’s an earth religions thing, not a dnd religions thing
It’s specifically NOT a Christian thing, although many Christians are circumcised for non-religious reasons.
that is most definitely incorrect. I don’t know where you heard that, but it’s just absolutely wrong.
I heard it in Acts 15:5-11
Nobody is saying anyone must be circumcised. But it is encouraged and usually forced upon children in christian churches through baptism. Your verse does not say what you think it does. See my reply above.
Judaism require it. And Christians notably changed that. It did become common in the US, which is a largely Christian country, but it’s not like it’s part of Christianity. Otherwise you’d expect this map of where circumcision is common would look more like this map of where Christianity is common. Instead it looks like this map of where Islam is common, which is a religion that actually encourages it.
“Where I heard that” is from the Christian Bible.
Consider Philippians, Chapter 3, Verse 2.
Philippians 3:2 in Other Translations
Because not everyone knows this stuff: this is text from one of the Epistles (Latin for “letters”) which are attributed to Paul of Tarsus also known as Saint Paul the Apostle. Apostle means one of the chief disciples of Jesus Christ. The Epistles provide instruction to early Christians on how to organize their churches.
@Archpawn@lemmy.world posts another relevant passage.
What made you disagree?
The bible says a lot of things that Christian churches do not teach. Quoting anything in the old testament you might as well just say that Christianity teaches that you shouldn’t have long hair or ear piercings, which is clearly not true. That verse also does not say what you think it does. It says that you should watch out for people who say you “must” be circumcised to be saved. I’ve never heard anyone say that anywhere. That doesn’t mean it’s not encouraged in the church. That doesn’t mean it’s not taught. That doesn’t mean it’s not done as part of baptism (as it has been at literally every christian church I’ve seen). But yeah, of course no one is going around saying you won’t be saved unless you do so. That doesn’t make it “NOT a Christian thing”.
Provide some evidence for your claim, then.
A major point of the quote I provided is that Christians are not bound by such strictures on dress, diet, mold remediation, etc., set forth in Leviticus, Deuteronomy, or elsewhere in Hebrew Scripture (which the early Christian church adapted with some changes to be the Old Testament).
I myself have been to a lot of baptisms, and there’s never been a circumcision involved. It’s not on me to prove a negative though…where’s your evidence?
Maybe she’s trans
That could cause more problems.
Spell grows a pp, doesn’t know what to do about the vagina. Leaves it there.
Futanari transgender Orc lady.