• lechekaflan@lemmy.world
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    3 hours ago

    In their constant fight in the so-called culture wars, asshole conservative reactionaries have different words in the past to define what they see as the enemy: “commie” (they never even differentiate between communists and socialists, just put them in the same bucket), “pinko”, “politically correct” (this began as a satirical view by liberals towards certain liberals), and now “woke”.

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      6 hours ago

      I always enjoy seeing old school examples of “wokeness”, and while I’m the farthest thing from patriotic I like seeing the fighting of prejudice framed as a patriotic duty as well

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        you know, that shit felt so good when we were young and being patriotic didn’t mean we were self serving everyone hating bastards :)

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      Not so sure about that, given that he still allows billionaires to exist in his universe…

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    8 hours ago

    It kinda is a targeted political agenda, but not all targeted political agendas are evil.

    “Hey can you stop being a piece of shit and instead choose to be kind?” is the targeted political agenda, which is highly offensive to pieces of shit.

  • mere@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    woke by definition doesn’t have a definition. It’s all the things that the lib-left does that the right doesn’t like, and that’s it. Any time we do something that they deem ‘too far’ or ‘too ridiculous’ they just label it as woke and stop thinking further. It’s a method of other-ing that allows them to not have to think about their bigotry.

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    12 hours ago

    During a trial in Florida, DeSantis’ officials were actually asked to define ‘woke’ and, for example, this is the answer General Counsel gave:

    “it would be the belief there are systemic injustices in American society and the need to address them.”

    The horror! Wanting to make things better? Terrorists, obviously, all of them.

    https://www.motherjones.com/mojo-wire/2022/12/desantis-ron-woke-florida-officials/

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      8 hours ago

      Their stance is essentially that racism, sexism, etc. is dead, therefore belaboring it is akin to McCarthyism hunting for KGB spies from the dead USSR.

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          They do, but it’s rare because they think it’s common sense.

          Liberals, leftists, and others maligned by the abuse of the word “woke” also don’t usually explain why that isn’t a bad thing, because to us it’s common sense.

          In a word phrase? Echo chambers.

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      12 hours ago

      The reason they don’t like it is because they’re the ones responsible for the systematic injustices, and they’re in denial about it.

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    They were never gonna like an adaptation of Superman that was true to the source material. Of course Superman is woke. That’s always been the point of Superman.

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          Im sorry, darling, but he is first and foremost a fighter of crime… like any other super hero. And who fights crime? Cops. Superheroes are supercops.

          And lets not forget that he is a tool of american imperialism and american exceprionalism. Nothin’ woke 'bout that.

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    My one critique on this countermovement is, I don’t like saying “It’s not woke!” Of course it’s woke - woke is a good thing. Woke means “I GET how shit is.”

    The implied words by these grifters have been “woke…and being super naggy and preachy about it, and making all white men feel bad.” When I watch a movie like Django Unchained, and see a former slave slaughtering a bunch of slavers, I don’t feel preached to. I don’t get a sense it’s trying to make me feel bad. I just think: Yeah, man, fuck these slavers. I resolve to make the next generation better than them. And also: I’m glad this slight poetic statement on slavery was wrapped into a tense, action-packed, entertaining movie.

    They tried this shit with feminism, diversity, equal opportunity, and every other word and term we like. Always inventing some context where all of them are bad. I don’t much like the retreat of saying “No no, this media isn’t woke!” Of course it’s woke! And that’s a good thing! People who hated “woke” need to take the L and wake up.

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    This is a fair point, but I’m still calling it “Woke Superman” because it’s funny.

    Sitting around:

    “Hey, wanna watch Woke Superman?”

    “That the one with the dog wearing a cape?”

    “Yes.”

    “Yeah, put it on.”

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    7 hours ago

    Woke continually redefined in each subsequent new version of the newspeak dictionary.

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    7 hours ago

    It means “politically correct”, but users don’t want to admit they’re incorrect so they made up bad grammar instead.

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      But doesn’t “politically correct” means not saying nasty truths? Like saying that Trump just “abused kids” instead “raped kids”.

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        I see it as a scale from extremely polite to extremely offensive, where you just try to stay polite while being honest. I think the federal and provincial PMs, and the mayors aI know, have been good at this. Listen to the Canadian or UK Parliements, they even have strict rules to keep things in order.

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          Personally I have mixed feelings.

          On one side - I consider being polite to be basic decency.

          On the other side - I feel like this “do not call it murder, call it unaliving” and such are just lies by omission of a word.

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            In my view, “unalive” is just as useless a word as “woke”. Pre-MAGA federal politics could be politically correct without either of these new “words”. We don’t need federal politics to observe this. Anyone can visit their municipal debates and watch counselors and mayors being politically correct with each other. At least in my experience. The shock value language is mostly used by news-like outlets to make headlines and public attention.

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            On the other side - I feel like this “do not call it murder, call it unaliving” and such are just lies by omission of a word.

            That’s not woke. That’s circumventing algorithm bullshit.

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    Superman is an illegal immigrant1, who has stolen American jobs and fought the president2. Clearly woke.

    1. Kryptonian by birth though one can argue him being found and adopted by the Kents might make it moot.
    2. Lex Luthor was president for a while and that was a whole thing.
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    Woke is a brilliant and evil political manipulation tool. As a conservative politician, you never have to state a position on any topic anymore. You just say you’re against all the woke stuff and your captive idiots just assume you agree with them. They hear exactly what they want to hear.

    The unemployed auto sector worker believes “woke” means Chinese EVs.

    The bigots believe “woke” means allowing gay people to exist.

    The wealthy believe “woke” means making rich people like them actually pay taxes.

    It’s a shortcut around actually saying anything of substance. You can get two people whose agendas are completely opposed to both believe that you are on their side because they both accept that “woke” means the thing they hate. And since you just said that you hate “woke”, then you hate the same thing they do so they will support you through anything now.

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      In the 90s it was “political correctness.” Then it was “critical race theory.” Then it was “woke.” Now it’s “DEI.”

      What hasn’t changed is the people spouting off this bullshit- Americans have had 30 years or so to deal with them and refuse to. When the victims can potentially be armed to the teeth, it’s hard not to victim blame.

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      Woke is the new ‘unamerican’ label, which was used to criticize protests, equality, etc.

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      Yeah “Woke” is basically how “Trotskyite” was used during Stalin’s regime. Everyone they don’t like and opposes them just gets the label. It’s a word they can use to give their followers permission to hate someone without having their followers use their own fucking brains.

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      18 hours ago

      This is why their interlocutors should always be asking what they mean by woke but apparently that’s too hard for a journalist