To me, someone who celebrates a bit more of the spectrum than most: Metal hot. Make food hot.

Non-stick means easier cleanup, but my wife seems to think cast-iron is necessary for certain things (searing a prime rib roast, for example.).

After I figure those out, then I gotta figure out gas vs. electric vs. induction vs infrared…

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    Metal hot. Make food hot.

    Think a bit deeper. How quickly is that heat transferred, and at what peak temperatures? Does the metal keep any heat of its own and impart that into the food, or does it just convey the heat from the burner to the food? And how quickly does it do that?

    but my wife seems to think cast-iron is necessary for certain things (searing a prime rib roast, for example.).

    Look at the thermal mechanics of this.

    Take the cast iron pot. You can throw that on the stove and let it get ripping hot, like the metal itself is carrying a ton of heat energy. When you put the prime rib in it, the metal dumps its heat into the meat much faster than a flame alone would. This helps you get a strong sear on the outside, without dumping in too much total quantity of heat to cook the meat on the inside more than you want.


    then I gotta figure out gas vs. electric vs. induction vs infrared…

    Heat can be transferred 3 ways- conduction (flows between two touching objects), convection (hot object heats air, air blows against cold object, air heats cold object) and radiation (hot object radiates energy through space and it warms cold object).

    Electric- coils get hot, the pan touching the coils transfers heat by conduction. Downside is uneven heating- neither the pan nor the coils is perfectly flat so you get hot spots.

    Infrared- coils under the glass get hot and radiate heat through the glass. This works pretty well.

    Induction- coils under the glass but they don’t get hot. Instead they create a magnetic field modulated at low radio frequencies (15-150 KHz). This fluctuating magnetic field interacts with any ferrous metal close to it, creating small but powerful eddy currents inside the metal and thus heating the metal up. So the stove doesn’t create any heat at all, it’s the pan that actually gets hot. This by the way is neither conduction convection nor radiation, because heat isn’t being transferred, it’s created inside the pot.

    Gas- flammable gas (usually propane or natural gas, which is mostly methane) burns creating high temperature exhaust gases that rise against the pot and thus heat the pot. Many chefs like this. Gas stoves should ideally be used with an overhead hood as gas stoves have been proven to drastically reduce indoor air quality.

    Of the options- induction is usually the best these days, because it’s the most efficient, cleanest, and also in many cases has the highest output (in terms of watts of heat pumped into the pot).

    When cooking, you want a stove capable of very high output. The more output you have, the faster it will boil water for example.

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        All technically true & correct.

        I’ll add that cast iron consistently works better for longer: My ceramic or PTFE pots start great, but after a while become so terrible they’re useless in spite of silicone spatulas etc. I cook almost daily, so I found the new tech pans fully degraded within a year or less.

        Cast iron, I’ve car camped and daily stove topped, no problem. I season it once every couple of years, works great.

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          This is true.

          My partner and I are currently having a laugh because a couple years back I bought a fancy expensive set of ceramic coated pans. Best ones on offer in the store at the time. Coating applied with plasma vapor at 40,000°F or some such nonsense, hard as diamond, good for use with metal utensils, coating guaranteed for life, yada yada. Good brand too (Calphalon). I said the tech on these is amazing and the coating has insane hardness and it will last forever. Partner laughed and said I fell for marketing BS, all non stick pans degrade.

          Guess what happened? The nonstick ceramic coating started rubbing off in some places. I’m quite annoyed. Partner laughs at me.

          Meanwhile go on YouTube and there’s videos of people restoring cast iron skillets from the 1800s to like-new condition.

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            😬 damn, sorry homie. I guess if it’s lifetime warranted, resell the replacements?

            Not particularly relevant, but it’ll help you see through marketing dreck no matter how it evolves: Plasma arcs can go that high in temp, but has no effect on what makes something “hard” or “soft”: interatomic bond strength. I’m certain you know this, but carbon (as in the diamond) holds hands really strongly with other carbon, more strongly than iron to iron as in a steel spatula.

            In theory, an actual diamond surface (not sprayed on, but grown) would be impervious to steel implements. But in reality, making a fully uniform diamond coating is extremely difficult, and thus tear-jerkingly expensive.

            Spraying chunks of diamond onto a surface as the mfgr has done really means there’s a thin sticky coating on the pan before they start, so that these hot pieces of diamond partly melt into it and are “glued”. Safe bet that later is PTFE. That means when your pan is hot on the stove, the layer softens and you wind up eating little bits of diamond with each meal. One day, food sticks, as you’ll have found a spot missing too many diamonds, it’s just the substrate with a bunch of tiny holes to make food stick even worse than a smooth plastic surface.

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    Get a thick bottom stainless steel pan and don’t be afraid to use butter, it’ll take care of all your needs and doesn’t require special or gentle treatment.

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      Cast iron gets jerked off over a lot but it has its merits. All of the ‘no soap’ talk is from the old days of lye based soaps and detergents. It still has the advantages of heat retention, durability, and low cost. Keep it dry and oiled when not in use and it’ll still outlive your grandkids.

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        Stainless steel is nigh invulnerable to just about everything, doesn’t require seasoning, and can be put away soaking wet without a concern. I’m not knocking cast iron, but cast iron is more of a hobby than it is practical everyday cookware. It’s the cooking equivalent of preferring vinyl records over other music formats that are literally just as good if not better.

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    Non-stick is terrible for anything that needs real frying, because the non-stick coating breaks down at high temperatures (generally manufacturer recommendations are to keep the pan under 400f / 204c. I’ve had the coating start browning and changing at lower temperatures than that.

    I have cast iron pans, but I can’t be bothered to maintain them so they mostly sit in the cabinet. I need to sand and re-coat mine currently, as they’ve got some rust spots, and I don’t really use them.

    I swear by steel pans. They work great on any stove type (gas, electric, induction, doesn’t matter), have enough heft but are lighter than cast iron, and they can handle high heat and even be baked so long as the handle is also steel. The trick to stainless is making sure it’s hot enough for water to dance on, and nothing will stick. I tend to use a bit of oil and then a bit of butter when cooking in them and they’re practically non-stick that way anyway, just give it a rinse and wash while it’s still hot and everything comes right off.

    Plus, there are some foods you actually want to stick a bit sometimes, like when you’re searing meats and later using the glaze from the pan for a sauce.

    If you’re using steel and accidentally leave it and stuff is stuck to it, no need to panic, just put some water in the pan, heat it up (preferably with a lid on), and once it’s hot, everything should come off easily.


    Edit - one trick to cooking with a stainless steel pan that I’ve found specifically when cooking with oil (olive oil generally) - When the oil becomes thin and moves around the pan easily you’re generally good, but if you leave it sit on medium heat until the oil makes a sort of sine wave pattern where the edges of the pan start to curve up, you’re set, nothing will stick.

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    Your wife sounds smart, listen to heerrrrrr.

    Also I don’t know, but since hearing about non-stick pans leaking cancer into your food (if you scrape them with a fork, etc), I just like to use a normal pan.

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    “Pan gets hot” does not fully specify how something cooks. Does it spread heat quickly and evenly? Have a high thermal capacity? Stick to meat forming a harder sear? All of these are good or bad depending on what you are trying to do.

    If I could only have one pan, Le Creuset Dutch oven, no question.

    Cast iron is not good for acidic foods or foods that require heat variation.

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    Non stick usually implies teflon coating. Throw it out.

    I have some cast iron cookware. Fun to use, the end result does feel different, heat disperses well and evenly and keeps warm for longer.

    It can be used over nearly any heat source, with similar results, but I do prefer induction. More efficient and less prone no mishaps.

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    Some answers here are close.

    It depends on what type of person you are.

    If you’re the kind of person who has a neat, clean kitchen who does all their dishes after every meal, go cast iron.

    If you’re the kind of person who has a messy kitchen and you really only do dishes once or twice a week, go primarily with stainless, a nonstick pan for eggs, and a 10-12 inch cast iron pan for occasional use, like that rib roast.

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    Non-stick chemicals have been historically poisonous, don’t know about the modern stuff though.

    Also, cooking with cast iron increases iron intake.

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      Cheap “modern” stuff? Still toxic. Though there are plenty of coatings that are less toxic and more robust. Not to say any, including a seasoned cast iron pan, are abuse-proof. Use metal utensils on anything, and you will damage any coating.

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          I’ve got a super thin metal spatula, with the perfect amount of flexibility, and I’ve been carrying it with me from place to place for decades. It is absolutely my favorite kitchen utensil. I know it didn’t cost much, but I’ve never found another one as perfect for my needs, so it is priceless to me.

          I use it on everything, even when it says no metal utensils. I’m just really careful with it. I love the thinness of it, and how it slips right under the edge of anything. Trying to catch the edge of an omelette with a thick plastic spatula is infuriating.

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          There’s no [edit: manufactured, not easily replaced] coating on cast iron (unless enameled)

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        The pan coating itself is inert and isn’t harmful. It is the precursor chemicals which bioaccumulate and cause issues.

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        Cast iron can take a fair amount of abuse.

        The method some people use to clean super stuck on bits it literally a square of chain mail. I just use salt, I don’t think the chain mail works that well.

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        Yeah, PFAS or forever chemicals like Teflon are not all equal. The bigger “fluffier” molecules can pass through the body way easier than the smaller ones.

        If people are in the US they should check their drinking water first since that’s the majority of PFAS that stay in the body weirdly enough.

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        Not sure why you are down voted, you are right. Teflon molecules are really long chains, your body doesn’t interact or store it, you just shit it out as it entered. The issue is the molecules used in it’s production, that are dumped in rivers and end up everywhere.

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          Yea, and if you burn them they break down into shorter molecules that accumulate in the liver or something.

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            Would be surprised how many people used scratched Teflon pans. I watched one friend of mine put the empty non-stick pan with no oil or anything on maximum heat to “pre heat the pan” before adding oil. Very sketchy.

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    I agree with the wife. Cast iron for steaks and searing red meats, non-stick for everything else.

    At the end of the day, what you should care about most is the fact that you’re lucky enough to have a wife who knows how to cook. In my house, I have to handle all the cooking and dishes. But at least she does the dusting and the laundry—both of which I hate doing—so it evens out I guess.

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    Metal hot. Makes food hot. Yes.

    But!!

    Cold food makes hot pan cold.

    Cast iron has a lot of thermal mass, so when you put a cold piece of meat on it it doesn’t immediately get cold and stop cooking for a bit. Thin pans without it don’t keep hot, hot so they don’t sear long enough and you don’t get the maillard reaction and the tasty brown crust.

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      This is exactly what I was going to say. More hot stuff means the temperature spikes get flattened.

      Very useful for electric ranges.

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    This is a HUGE “Yes, but.”

    Entering adulthood, I got cheap run of the mill non stick pans, they work until they dont.

    Then we tried cast iron. Gotta oil it, cure it, and don’t use soap to wash it. Some extra work, but it worked great.

    Now, I’m rocking stainless steel. Less work than the cast iron, but you need to preheat the pan before you put anything in it. If you do this, it’s just as nonstick as the others, and it’s a lot lighter and easier than the iron, and I think they are less expensive than cast iron, but I haven’t compared in a very long time.

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      FYI, you can wash cast iron with soap.

      Not using soap is a hold over from when soaps were more caustic (e.g. lye soap).

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        FYI, you can wash cast iron with soap.

        Only if you re-season it afterwards. Otherwise it starts to rust because the seasoning is what protects it from oxidation

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          Really not. See the lye comments.

          I generally wash with dish soap and a chainmail scrubber, then dry with a paper towel. If I remember I might spread a tiny amount of oil.

          Yeah I could do better but the point is I’ve done almost nothing to care for them in years.

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            Pure iron oxidizes without the high carbon content to make it stainless and will absolutely rust if you don’t at least oil it after washing with soap, but seasoning it properly definitely makes a difference in how it cooks.

            I own 4 different size/shape cast iron and I speak from experience. Any decent dish soap will still strip the oils that are acting as a barrier to the open air and oxidation, doesn’t have to be lye-based

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              Cast iron is extremely forgiving of improper treatment. And even if it eventually rusts, you can fix it. I’ve been using cast iron as my primary skillets since pandemic. I know I don’t treat them like I should, but they’re not yet rusted, still have an easy to clean surface that food doesn’t stick to. I’ll probably have to reseason eventually but if that’s not until I’d normally have to replace non-stick, I’m way ahead without putting in any extra work

              Edit: sure, standard three cast iron skillets, and cast iron Dutch oven. I also have a set of stainless pans, and some induction ready non-stick for company

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              It only oxidizes when water can reach the iron. If you have a good seasoning on it, mild dish soap can’t lift it off, and water can’t reach the iron.

              Making sure it’s completely dry (I dry mine with heat on the stove) and adding a thin layer of oil is a good idea too. There are often parts of the pan that aren’t well seasoned. On mine, it’s the part that touches the stove that’s most likely to rust.

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          If your seasoning rinses off with mild soap and water, you might want to try some different seasoning methods. That might mean using a different oil, different temperature, longer heat time for the seasoning, etc. Or you might want to season it with thinner layers of oil multiple times in a row.

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        Thanks for the tip. I saw many people saying both sides, so I figured I’d just avoid soap and not find out for myself.

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          If you wash your cast iron with eg Dawn dish soap, you can definitely clean it down to bare metal and it will rust. I usually will clean the cast iron pan last and use the sponge that just has a small amount of soap left in it. Just watch it as you clean, if the shiny hard coating seems to be going away, rinse out the soap and make something greasy next time you use the pan to replenish it.

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            If you have a good seasoning, it won’t wash off. “Seasoning” is the process of polymerizing oil. That hardens the oil and binds it to the surface. You’re more likely to burn the seasoning off or to scratch the seasoning and have it flake off than take it off with dish soap.

            Whether you use soap or not, dry it on the stove and give it a light coat of oil after you clean it.

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        Thank you for helping to dispel this myth. It is truly disgusting the state that some people leave their cast iron pans in, the fact that people eat the food from them after not having washed it for years is terrifying.

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      Yea that’s the part that keeps me from cast iron.

      Not being able to wash it normally just sounds weird and nasty to me.

      And two the whole having to season your pan… God damn I’ve got a million things to worry about and barely time to make food, I don’t have time to be giving a hot oil massage to my pans…

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    Induction gives you the speed and control of gas, without the exhaust gases. Induction is more efficient than infrared, because you’re heating the pan directly. The cooktop only gets hot from the pan resting on it.

    Get induction, it’s by far the best!

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      i also want to add that you should avoid ones with capacitive buttons. they suck, and imagine cleaning them…

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        Also against the capacitive buttons my cat has accidentally turned on my stove so now I need to turn on the cleaning lock whenever I am done using it

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          same here, i just always make sure there’s nothing metallic on the stove. it will just turn off after a while if my cats turn it on. don’t understand why the controls can’t be similar to the oven: knobs in the front panel that can be pushed in

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        If it’s sticking to a magnet, it will work. Cast iron works. Induction is great, i’ll never go back to gas!

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        I have induction; anything magnetic will heat, pans sized to your elements work best. Pans with too much aluminum and not enough iron (or other ferro magnetic material) won’t work very well. Getting induction was a great excuse to dump the cheap pans I’d wanted to replace anyway. When shopping the discount racks like Home Goods, Marshalls, etc. I always grabbed some fridge magnets and tried them on the bottom of any prospective purchase; the stronger the pull, the better it will perform with induction. The only item I really missed was my moka pot (stovetop espresso, usually all aluminum casting), but I was able to find one with a stainless steel base that works great. Your pots and pans will also need a flat bottom to react to the induction elements, so woks and such built with a slope or curve to encourage flames to lick up the sides don’t work so well compared to gas. Finding a Teflon coated pan that works with induction was difficult (I don’t often use it anyway, but SO insisted we have one for their use). I’m looking into replacing the Teflon pans with nitrided carbon steel soon.

        Cast Iron and induction are a match made in heaven though. The cast iron heats fast and evenly and the induction means you can be very precise about how much heat you apply and when. When you turn off the element, the only heat left in the whole system is what you’ve already put into the pan, which is a big deal in my tiny kitchen when I don’t always have room to move a pan off to the side to rest or cool. The cast iron and stainless pans I have heat fast enough that I can basically cook starting from a cold pan for most things. Heating an empty pan takes seconds. I can bring a pot of a water of a couple quarts/liters to a roaring boil in about 4 minutes, then back down to a gentle simmer in seconds.

        If gas is cooking with fire, induction feels like cooking with science. As may be clear from the rant, I love my induction range.

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          Small note on induction.

          Since power setting works by turning the element off and on quickly, having a really thin pan with little thermal mass will result in some really weird uneven heating (basically just a hot circle).

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          Two ignorant questions for you:

          Do you see any benefits to teflon over carbon steel?

          I’ve been using airbnb a bit and sometimes the tops are some form of electric (but I’m ignorant enough not to know what type of electric) and by far the most brittle part seems to be the touch buttons that many have. Do you have any pointers on shopping around for stovetops without issues with the buttons?

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        Probably answered below:

        All will work with induction, except for cheap aluminum nonstick pans

        I thought it was more involved than that but after a quick search online I’m wrong

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          You do still need a fair amount of mass on the bottom for it to be efficient. Anything ferrous will work, though.

          Pure copper pans will not work for the same reason as aluminum.

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          A very slight clarification here:

          cheap to make alumin

          spoiler

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          um nonstick pans. Mine doesn’t work AND it wasn’t cheap : (.

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    Reddit has a fucking hard-on for cast iron. I’m not really a fan.

    I don’t use teflon non-stick but have had good results with ceramic-based non-stick. My second choice would be carbon steel, which has a similar “seasoning” process as cast iron, but I find carbon steel easier to work with compared to cast iron.

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      Their issue might be that carbon steel can be expensive. Meanwhile you have some great cast iron for reasonable prices and are much more likely to find “heirloom” pieces

      While I’ve been tempted to try carbon steel, I invested in cast iron and am very happy with that. No reason to spend more money.

      I’ve never tried ceramic non-stick because

      1. Aluminum pans don’t sear well
      2. I read reviews questioning the durability of the surface

      So I’m at

      • cast iron skillets
      • 5 ply stainless steel set of pans
      • a couple non-stick skillets for company or my kids who want to cook with it
      • bakeware: glass, stainless, non-stick, porcelain

      Next

      • when I need to replace my rice maker, I’ll trade up to a stainless pot
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    It lasts forever, you wont scrape whatever “non-stick coating” they use off. If you want a pan that will outlive your grandchildren and is permanently non-stick once it’s seasoned, for most things a cast iron is perfect. If you have that, some pots of various sizes, and a wok, youre set.

    I prefer induction or infrared stovetop. We dont need to burn more gas.

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      Imo, the main advantage to cast iron vs literally everything else is how you can abuse it as long as the one rule you follow is to clean it after use.

      Teflon and other nonstick coatings are too easily damaged by things like scrubbing pads or metal utensils.

      Cast iron don’t give a single fuck.

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        Teflon will eventually flake off even if babied. The problem is thermal stress between the aluminum and Teflon. Repeated heating and cooling will eventually cause it to fail.

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        I picked up a cheap cast iron frying pan a couple of years ago, having finally gotten sick of paying £50 every couple of years for a decent non-stick pan.

        That cast iron pan still looks basically new. I don’t do anything particularly exciting with it, I just use it, then I wash it with whatever scouring sponge I have. Best £12 I’ve spent on something for my kitchen.

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      You can absolutely scrape the seasoning off a cast iron pan through aggressive use of metal utensils, but you can also re-season it by applying a little cooking oil and getting it hot for an hour or so.

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        You also don’t have to worry about getting Teflon flu if you overheat the pan. The worst thing that can happen is that you ruin your pan, not that you poison yourself.